WolfpackN64 said:
Peh said:
I just took the time to think about how to make it clear to you and avoid ending in a discussion about semantics through out several pages with accomplishing nothing in the end, arf.
Just to go back to the main issue... you claim that being agnostic is a third position besides atheism and theism in which I completely disagree and I also don't agree with your definition and source, arf. I already pointed out why I see your definition as an issue, arf. I also don't care what a believer says as long as it contradicts or is not in par with the official definition of the word, arf. I would even disagree with atheists alike if they use a definition which is not the official one, arf. All I do is use and defend the definition in the dictionary, arf. And so far, I can see that you are not using those, arf.
Just to sum up atheism/theism and agnosticism, arf:
Atheism/theism: No believe / believe in God ,arf
Agnosticism: No knowledge about God existence ,arf
So, before trying to argue for my position again with my own words, I just link you several source about my position on this issue, arf. Maybe they can explain it better than I can, arf.
https://www.thoughtco.com/atheist-vs-agnostic-whats-the-difference-248040 ,arf
"Once it is understood that atheism is merely the absence of belief in any gods, it becomes clear that agnosticism is not, as many assume, a “third way” between atheism and theism. The presence of a belief in a god and the absence of a belief in a god does not exhaust all of the possibilities." , arf.
Or take it as a video, arf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vklm5NzW_3g ,arf
Even if someone calls himself an agnostic, arf. This doesn't answer the question if he believes in a god or not, arf. He only claims that his existence is unknowable, arf. Yet, he still has to answer the question: Do you believe in a God, arf? That's it, arf. It is binary, arf.
Thus we also have agnostic theists, arf. The believe in God, but say that his existence is unknowable, arf. A belief doesn't require knowledge nor evidence, arf. Hence why it's a belief in the first place, arf. It requires faith, arf.
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We're talking next to each other. The problem you're not seeing is that the Oxford dictionary source you linked actually re-enforces my position. In many of their example sentences, they clearly seperate the terms "religious", "agnostic" and "atheist". That's a language authority that agrees with my original standpoint. Agnosticism is a clear third position. For an Agnostic can not only say that the existance of God is unknowable, he can also, very clearly, say he doesn't know. Thus rendering it clear quantum (many options) choice and certainly not binary (two choices).
So if you'd really defend the dictionarym you'd support my argument.
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https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/agnostic ,arf
"A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God." ,arf
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheism ,arf
"Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods." ,arf
Show me, arf. Where does it states it's a third position besides atheism and theism, arf. Show me that knowledge is on the same level / axis as a belief, arf.
Please post a quote, because I don't see it, arf.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/belief ,arf
"1An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion.
A religious conviction.
belief inTrust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something)" ,arf
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/knowledge
"Facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject." ,arf
I really fail to see where you got the infos from, arf. So enlighten me please, arf.
