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Nem on 14 January 2018
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Bristow9091 said:
Nem said:

Thats a bit of a trap given he was the last one to reply. :p

Anyways i thank you. I have been trying to end the conversation unsucessfully. I was actually already rolling my eyes when i saw the notification and was gonna move away myself. 

The easiest way to end a conversation would be to just not reply in the first place, something you failed to do across multiple posts and pages. Anyway, enough about that, just stop replying to each other in this thread like I said and I won't need to swing this lovely hammer at anyone, lol. 

I actually harbor some hope that when replying people will actually learn or at least question something. It is true that after he several times replied to me without actually trying to advance his case i should have followed through with what i said and ignoring him. Oh well...

 

Ok, as i don't want our moderator here getting nervous with me, i will give one more reply to VG who quoted me. After that i'm out. If you wish to carry on, you are free to send me messages.

VGPolyglot said:
Nem said:

You were wrong. Your definition of atheism was wrong and even your excuse of the latin meaning was wrong as arfy just told me in the previous page. And btw terms don't define themselves, we do.

Your replies for the last 5 or 6 pages have been /pout after that. I made no assumption except you are poisoned with religious definitions. It's a fact, wether you are atheist or theist.

For example VG is an Atheist but his concepts are still unclear or influenced by religion. This is an educational problem at large in the US from what i know.

I'm not a good teacher. I know the logic and i know what's real and how to determine it. I did not learn specifically how to decode the way people think incorrectly and help them fix it. I apolgise, i wish i had that talent, but theres many books and atheists to talk with that will do a better job at explaining these things and i vehemently recommend them.

I only went to Kindergarten in the US though. I don't believe in God, an afterlife, fate, etc. However, what we are not arguing is whether or not atheism is a real position or concept, we are disagreeing fundamentally of what atheism is. How are you going to expect a baby with no concept of god to explain what atheism is? And that is why it is important to have knowledge of the subject. How can you be an atheist if you don't even know what atheism is or means? (By the way I'm not saying this personally to you, I'm talking of your definition where someone who doesn't have the concept of it can still somehow be one).

Ok, so here is the thing. Wether God exists or not, is not dependant on wether we know about it or not. We can agree with that yeah?

What we know to be real, has to be provable. What we can't prove to be real is therefore not real as far as we know.

If the baby does not know god, it is therefore not real to him until he knows about him.

That is why he is atheist unknowingly. Because the concept of atheism is to not have belief in God (google "atheism definition" and it should be the first result).

I feel this is an explanation that i already presented to you and i doubt it will satisfy you, but it is what it is. Maybe you can ask a professor of some sort (theoretical physicist preferably) that can give you a response that may satisfy you better.

 

I hope you do keep this questioning mindset though. I am sure you will get things cleared up if you keep looking for it. :)

Last edited by Nem - on 14 January 2018