"Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important."

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VGPolyglot said:

Nem said:

You were wrong. Your definition of atheism was wrong and even your excuse of the latin meaning was wrong as arfy just told me in the previous page. And btw terms don't define themselves, we do.

Your replies for the last 5 or 6 pages have been /pout after that. I made no assumption except you are poisoned with religious definitions. It's a fact, wether you are atheist or theist.

For example VG is an Atheist but his concepts are still unclear or influenced by religion. This is an educational problem at large in the US from what i know.

I'm not a good teacher. I know the logic and i know what's real and how to determine it. I did not learn specifically how to decode the way people think incorrectly and help them fix it. I apolgise, i wish i had that talent, but theres many books and atheists to talk with that will do a better job at explaining these things and i vehemently recommend them.

I only went to Kindergarten in the US though. I don't believe in God, an afterlife, fate, etc. However, what we are not arguing is whether or not atheism is a real position or concept, we are disagreeing fundamentally of what atheism is. How are you going to expect a baby with no concept of god to explain what atheism is? And that is why it is important to have knowledge of the subject. How can you be an atheist if you don't even know what atheism is or means? (By the way I'm not saying this personally to you, I'm talking of your definition where someone who doesn't have the concept of it can still somehow be one).

An apple, so far as I can tell, has no concept of being an apple.  Yet, it is still an apple, because it has all the qualities that we have defined for apples.

Likewise, an atheist can be an atheist regardless of whether or not they can explain it.  

Let's define an atheist as someone who is convinced (believes) that god (in this case yahweh) exists.  Suppose we had a person in an uncontacted tribe of people.  That person is fully capable of forming concepts like gods, but has never heard of yahweh.  Would you say that this person believes in god or not?  It's a binary position, so it has to be one or the other.  I'd say he does not believe is the accurate answer.



Of course, if you define atheism as actually rejecting god, then you would need a concept to reject.  Because rejecting, like believing, is active and not passive.  But, I don't believe I've personally met or seen any atheists who define atheism in that way.