JWeinCom said:
o_O.Q said:
"ou just don't know your terms or were tought wrongly. "Agnostic" is not a noun, it's an adjective. You were tought wrongly by the people that wanted to invent a new meaning for the term and atheism so they could better attack it"
there are plenty of resources that still have that definition(one of which i posted) and 10 years ago the vast majority of them did
"there is no belief that a God doesn't exist"
i'm sure that if i felt like it i could quote people saying this in this very thread... wtf man lol
"If something doesn't exist, by default it's not believed."
didn't you just say that the belief that god does not exist does not exist?
"It's therefore NOT a different position as Atheism."
lol ok, if you want to believe that atheism and agnosticism are the same you are free to do so
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjY619aJ82Y
This is a pretty good representation, of the atheist view in general. But I'll sum it up...
Basically, you are insisting on holding an inflexible definition of atheism and agnosticism, which happens to be one that many (most from my experience) atheists do not hold.
By doing this, you are preventing any real discussion from happening. Instead of an actual conversation of what someone believes you wind up, as you and others have in this topic, having conversations about the semantics of the word atheist.
Really, what is the point of this? Why not just ask the person what they mean when they say they are an atheist, and go from there discussing the actual beliefs? Doesn't that seem more productive? As long as people in the conversation both understand what the other means when they say they are an atheist or agnostic, then that's all that really matters.
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The apologetic approach is easier to attack atheists for what they are not, arf. These people reject the official definition and make their own, arf.
It's like Sye says: "Atheists know that god exists but reject to believe in him", arf. Of course he talks about the christians god and no other god out there, arf.
That's obviously complete bullshit, arf.
