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JWeinCom on 11 January 2018
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o_O.Q said:
Nem said:

Well, we can agree that you got no proof for a God, that is true.

You just don't know your terms or were tought wrongly. "Agnostic" is not a noun, it's an adjective. You were tought wrongly by the people that wanted to invent a new meaning for the term and atheism so they could better attack it. The definition i gave you is Atheism. 

There is no belief that a God doesn't exist, as you'd like to believe. It's contradictory religious BS. If something doesn't exist, by default it's not believed. If you search the definition of Atheism you will find what it truly means. A poster above has already linked several of them.

 

Agnosticism is listed as: "a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.", wich is no different a position than Atheism because they also don't believe god is real. It just adds tat it can never be known.

It's therefore NOT a different position as Atheism.

I guess it's also possible people came up with it, just to be able to step out without being shunned. The US seems to have things like that.

 

Your post was filled with fallicies trying to affect a member who has gone the extra mile to learn and discover the facts of reality. You can too if you ever bother to do so. 

"ou just don't know your terms or were tought wrongly. "Agnostic" is not a noun, it's an adjective. You were tought wrongly by the people that wanted to invent a new meaning for the term and atheism so they could better attack it"

there are plenty of resources that still have that definition(one of which i posted) and 10 years ago the vast majority of them did

 

"there is no belief that a God doesn't exist"

i'm sure that if i felt like it i could quote people saying this in this very thread... wtf man lol

 

"If something doesn't exist, by default it's not believed."

didn't you just say that the belief that god does not exist does not exist?

 

"It's therefore NOT a different position as Atheism."

lol ok, if you want to believe that atheism and agnosticism are the same you are free to do so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjY619aJ82Y

This is a pretty good representation, of the atheist view in general.  But I'll sum it up...

Basically, you are insisting on holding an inflexible definition of atheism and agnosticism, which happens to be one that many (most from my experience) atheists do not hold.

By doing this, you are preventing any real discussion from happening.  Instead of an actual conversation of what someone believes you wind up, as you and others have in this topic, having conversations about the semantics of the word atheist.

Really, what is the point of this?  Why not just ask the person what they mean when they say they are an atheist, and go from there discussing the actual beliefs?  Doesn't that seem more productive? As long as people in the conversation both understand what the other means when they say they are an atheist or agnostic, then that's all that really matters.