By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
Aura7541 said:
o_O.Q said: 

religion caused the united states to bomb syria? which religion?

 

Syria's turmoil was largely caused by the uprising of extreme Islamism prior to the US's interventionist proxy war.

why don't you try to pray for yourself and see if it has any impact on your condition?

This an ad hoc fallacy. Correlation =/= Causation.

the point i made is that climate change is caused as a result of science in terms of the current global warming trends... had religion been allowed to suppress science, then it would not have happened... do you disagree with that?

This is an incorrect interpretation of what caused climate change. Climate change was caused as a result of the overuse of certain fruits of science. Currently, people are using science to figure out how to counter that. In addition, it is impossible to suppress science entirely by religion, so you're presenting a largely impractical scenario. This doesn't even put into the account the additional (negative) baggage religion brings to the table.

like the soviet union? and maoist china? beyond them i can't name another atheist nation... can you give an example? because the two i listed would be terrible examples

Are they atheist nations or nations that happen to be atheist?

Actually, when it comes to the Soviet Union, they were not atheist as Stalin often promoted himself as the God figure like how the North Koreans often exalt their dictators as supernatural beings. Maoist China's problem was not atheism, but strict authoritarianism. Authoritarianism and religion have a lot more in common with each other than authoritarianism and atheism because for a religion to survive, it needs to impose authoritarian measures to keep followers in line. Atheism, on the other hand, is not a religion as it is an expression of skepticism. There is no "holy book" for atheism and as a result, atheism does not have a set of authoritarian rules to keep atheists in line.

the big bang is still considered a theory which is another way of saying proposition

There's a large difference between the colloquial theory and the scientific theory. Just because there is "theory" in the Big Bang Theory, it doesn't mean it is a proposition. In other words, you're making a fallacious argument based on mere association. Physicists have shown that space has been expanding at a faster rate and we can see remnants of the Big Bang by observing the cosmic microwave background.

they had faith that the evidence presented in these cases was accurate and as a result they used harmful procedures or pushed lies... how can you really deny that?

And to finish, this is Poisoning The Well. Who is "they" and are "they" representative of the entire scientific community? What kind of lies are you referring to? Were the lies pushed because of science, itself, or because the "scientists" improperly implemented the scientific method? Not only is this part of your "argument" a pre-emp ad hom, but it also lacks any specificity.

"Syria's turmoil was largely caused by the uprising of extreme Islamism prior to the US's interventionist proxy war."

this was the initial event that justified the bombings

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-warcrimes/syrian-government-forces-used-chemical-weapons-more-than-two-dozen-times-u-n-idUSKCN1BH18W

but eventually it was discovered that assad was framed and it was actually rebels that the united states supported

https://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-report-confirms-that-opposition-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-against-civilians-and-government-forces/5363139

https://www.salon.com/2016/07/11/u_s_backed_syrian_rebels_committing_war_crimes_torture_abductions_imposing_harsh_sharia_law_report/

from the beginning these rebels sought to overthrown the government and put sharia law in place and the united states aided them knowingly

 

"

why don't you try to pray for yourself and see if it has any impact on your condition?

This an ad hoc fallacy. Correlation =/= Causation."

i didn't say that i believe in prayer, i just made the suggestion that he should try it, what is wrong with being open minded?

 

"This is an incorrect interpretation of what caused climate change. Climate change was caused as a result of the overuse of certain fruits of science. "

yeah, i don't see how this is different to what i posted

 

" Currently, people are using science to figure out how to counter that."

yes i acknowledged that

 

 "In addition, it is impossible to suppress science entirely by religion, so you're presenting a largely impractical scenario. This doesn't even put into the account the additional (negative) baggage religion brings to the table."

but i think arguably it can suppress science to the point where it doesn't have a worldwide impact... science on a small scale doesn't have worldwide impact but it does on a very large scale like with most people engaging in activities which cause pollution for example

and i concede the baggage religion brings but i'm putting that to the side just to look at this one aspect

 

"Are they atheist nations or nations that happen to be atheist?"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2017/oct/26/why-the-soviet-attempt-to-stamp-out-religion-failed

"Under Khrushchev it became illegal to teach religion to your own children."

 

"Authoritarianism and religion have a lot more in common with each other than authoritarianism and atheism because for a religion to survive, it needs to impose authoritarian measures to keep followers in line."

sure i agree

 

"Physicists have shown that space has been expanding at a faster rate and we can see remnants of the Big Bang by observing the cosmic microwave background."

you can't prove without a doubt that it all came from a singularity

 

"And to finish, this is Poisoning The Well. Who is "they" and are "they" representative of the entire scientific community? "

they refers to the practitioners of science at those time periods

 

"What kind of lies are you referring to? Were the lies pushed because of science, itself, or because the "scientists" improperly implemented the scientific method?"

these situations happened because humans are limited and they will continue to happen for the same reason