| withdreday said: Religion on the other hand, religion has it issued, but nothing else teaches peopls morals, caring about the less fortunate, etc and nearly all laws are based on religious text, so one is to wonder if humanity would have advanced this far with out it. |
If religion would teach morals then there wouldn't be no religious extremists.
Fact is, people don't learn morals from Religion... Otherwise Atheists would be pushing immoral values.
Rather... Morals are learned from life experience, it's called Empathy.
For example... I would hate to chop someones leg off with a chainsaw, because I would hate it done to myself.
| WolfpackN64 said: I'm not mixing them up. I'm stating there OUGHT TO BE morality in science. Disconnecting science from possible problems by shoving them in other fields is disingenious. You could say a problem created by a scientist is economic in origin. But that's a weak argument. Most societal elements (including religion) are influenced by this sphere. This also counts for the scientific sphere. |
There is "morality" in science (If you can call it that). It's called Pseudoscience. - It's how people use "science" to reinforce their belief the world is flat or other stances that better align to their religious doctrine.
Science doesn't give a shit about politics... It doesn't care about religion, It never cared for how a countries economy is run, it doesn't even care if you exist or not.
Science is about knowledge and the gathering of knowledge and the demonstration of that knowledge.
| o_O.Q said:
there are many instances of irreversible harm being down to people or the environment as a consequence of our technology the coral reefs marine biodiversity lost from increasing sea levels the biodiversity lost from rainforests the damage caused by various nuclear accidents and tests throughout history such as chernobyl or fukushima and the list goes on and on and on with many different things i don't know of |
Technology is a subset of science. And Science is the only thing we can leverage to clean all that up and learn.
No one has claimed that Science has dropped the ball during history, but through Science we do learn from our past mistakes.
But if it's a body count you are clinging too... Religion is still the cause for war even in 2018.
| o_O.Q said: you can't prove that, you can't prove that praying to god does not have positive impacts on the earth |
I have "faith" that praying to a God does not have a positive impact upon the Earth. - Ironic you need evidence for my position though, but not your own.
Fact is... There is zero evidence to point to a God even existing, let alone prayer having any effect on the natural world.
I haven't had a theistic debate on this forum just yet, do you wish to follow me down that rabbit hole? ;) I do have a good grasp on Physics.
| o_O.Q said: lay it out for me, i'm all ears |
Or hows about no? It was a question, not a statement.
| o_O.Q said: how is it ironic? it could only be ironic if religion caused the problem to begin with... i'd argue that since religion is against technology advancement that its actually quite the opposite |
Are you serious? This is why religion is moronic, it's imposing it's religious ideology, holding back solutions to making the world better/fixing world problems... Then when they are called out on it... They claim had nothing to do with it? That's some circular logic bullshit going on there my dear watson.
| o_O.Q said: true... is this some kind of justification for the damage we've caused to the planet? |
No?
| o_O.Q said:
ok that was a bad example but the point i was making is that in the scientific community there is a fair deal of faith in things that do not at present have conclusive evidence |
Name one.
| o_O.Q said: wait, hang on for a second, i just noticed something, do you think people exist that do not have empathy? |
With the amount of priests that have had sexual abuse allegations leveraged against them, clearly religion isn't a path to being moral/having empathy either.
Morals and Empathy is born out of life experience... Pain, suffering, joy, happiness and not wanting to treat others the way you wish to be treated, religion isn't a requirement for any of that... Which is why extremely Atheist nations tend to still have a great track record of human rights.
| o_O.Q said: well that's not really true though, scientists aren't robots... |
Some literally are though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Scientist
Kerotan said:
Would we? We seemed to do all right for millions of years without science. If anything we are making these diseases more dangerous the more advanced we get. |
Diseases evolve, they would have evolved and gotten more dangerous regardless of scientific advancement.
| o_O.Q said: many people believe in the big bang even though its just a proposition... its quite alright to say that its just a proposition... but people don't really behave like that's the case with these things |
False. The Big Bang is not just a proposition.
There is literally evidence for it's happening... Such as the Cosmic Microwave Background or CMB for short.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background
The Big Bang is also built on models from the theory of general relativity, the same theory that allows our GPS satellites to function in space.
What is a proposition is... God. There is zero evidence or models supporting the assertion that a God even exists.
| o_O.Q said: for example |
That's not evidence that the Scientific Community uses faith.
That is just evidence that the Science wasn't fully understood.
| bdbdbd said: I only pointed this out, because in a debates like this, you often see "theory" interpreted as "hypothesis". |
Indeed.
There are actually two types of theories.
You have the standard theory which is just an "idea".
Then you have a Scientific Theory which is almost the complete opposite, which is an explanation of a working model based on empirical evidence.
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