Macron Wants To Ban 'Fake News' During Elections

[WhatATimeToBeAlive]

o_O.Q said:

WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

But where did I state that USA hasn't done anything wrong? I was talking about the wrongdoings and lies of Russia, and provided you multiple sources (also Russian (RT)) that prove that Russia straight up lies about these things. And your argument is "but USA...". How does it justify the wrongdoings of a country if some other country has also done bad things? Russian trolls also use this "argument" very often when they don't have other means to defend the said country.

And where is the evidence that USA destabilized for example Tunisia or Libya? In Tunisia the ruling dictator was overthrown peacefully by the people, and in Libya USA and NATO airforces intervened only when Gaddafi (dictator) sent the army to destroy the protesting people who wanted to end the dictatorship. And Russia gave its approval for the intervention (maybe Putin foresee that the removal of Gadaffi would allow the refugee-wave from Africa to reach Europe).

In Syria USA started to support the opposition when Al-Assad (dictator) ordered the army to destroy the protesting people who wanted to end the dictatorship, and after the situation has escalated to a civil war. Isis and other fundamentalist-groups appeared in Syria long after the civil war started, and there is no evidence that USA has supported them. But that is clear to everyone that Russia has supported this terrible dictator from the start and has itself bombed cities indiscriminately.

In Iraq USA supported Saddam during the Iraq-Iran war (both were dictarorships) during the 80's. This was because USA wanted to restrain Iran's influence in the area. But USA didn't support Saddam after the war when he started to use chemical weapons against civilians, and attacked Kuwait. Russia on the other hand has supported almost all dictatorships, especially during the Cold War. Just look at the military equipment that these countries used, which is mostly made in Russia.

But the main point in all this is that Russia has solely supported dictatorships but Western countries don't do that very often, and when they do, they do it reluctantly, not because they want to promote dictatorship (for example Saudi-Arabia is an ally of USA, because its oil resources are so important to the world economy). But when has Russia/Soviet Union encouraged democracy? Russia doesn't even have any allies that are democracies. And all this is because Russia itself is not a democracy (yes, there are elections, but that was the case also in Soviet Union). But you think that Russia is "good" and USA (and other Western countries?) are "bad"? You seem like a conspiracy theorist.

 

"provided you multiple sources (also Russian (RT)) that prove that Russia straight up lies about these things. "

i've said it before and i'll say it again, i do not buy the coverage of the ukraine conflict that is being pushed... so don't bother with it

 

"In Syria USA started to support the opposition when Al-Assad (dictator) ordered the army to destroy the protesting people who wanted to end the dictatorship"

what really gave the us the justification to get more involved was the chemical weapons attack, guess who the cause was?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-22424188

https://sarahabed.com/2017/08/16/carla-del-ponte-blames-the-rebels-for-chemical-weapons-attack-yet-wants-to-falsly-convict-assad-of-war-crimes/

https://www.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-syria-france/frances-macron-urges-military-intervention-if-chemical-use-by-assad-proven-idUSL9N1GD016

 

...can you guess what the aim of these rebels was?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23139784

to spread sharia in syria... these rebels were aligned with ISIS and were backed by the us

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-usa-syria/trump-ends-cia-arms-support-for-anti-assad-syria-rebels-u-s-officials-idUSKBN1A42KC

this "Isis and other fundamentalist-groups appeared in Syria long after the civil war started, and there is no evidence that USA has supported them."

is absolute bullshit

 

" where is the evidence that USA destabilized for example Tunisia or Libya? In Tunisia the ruling dictator was overthrown peacefully by the people, and in Libya USA and NATO airforces intervened only when Gaddafi (dictator) sent the army to destroy the protesting people who wanted to end the dictatorship. "

lol as they have in every middle eastern conflict they started by supporting rebels in a country

if i had a rich nation and decided to fund and support antifa and the communists itching to destroy the us now and i painted it as if america is a dictatorship would that be accurate?

well that is what had happened in most of the conflicts in the middle east -

i supplied two videos showing first off that the us created probably the most significant problem in that area to ironically fight russia

secondly that the wars destroying the region were planned... did you not watch the video? lybia was one of the named countries... to then come back with this silly narrative about the poor people begging america to bomb their countries into oblivion is nonsense

with regards to lybia:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-humanitarian-intervention/

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/obamas-worst-mistake-libya/478461/

 

"In Iraq"

i have nothing more to say about iraq

"But the main point in all this is that Russia has solely supported dictatorships but Western countries don't do that very often"

to be frank, you're a joke... you really need to wake up... you should should probably start by entertaining the idea that a lot of the "russian propaganda" you talk about is actually the truth and that the beliefs you currently have are actual the propaganda

"i've said it before and i'll say it again, i do not buy the coverage of the ukraine conflict that is being pushed... so don't bother with it"

So you don't buy the coverage stated in those links I posted? Why is that? They contain the Russian narrative, so you shouldn't have a problem with them. One of them for example shows a satellite image that shows how a fighter jet shoots at a passenger plane. The only problem is that the image is fake (the plane in the image would be about 1 km long in real life, because they fucked up the scale) and Russia itself has already abandoned that narrative.

There is no obvious truth about who is behind the chemical attacks in Syria, but majority of the evidence points to Syrian government who have/had those weapons and the planes used to deliver them. Russia for example vetoed an initiative in the UN that would have allowed a proper examination of the latest chemical attack (in addition to that plane-incident mentioned above).

But all this aside, you haven't answered the main points:

How does it justify the wrongdoigns of a country if some other country has also done bad things?

and

Why do you defend dictatorships and bash democracies?

 

Or will you come up with something like this: "North Korea is in reality a good place to live and the people there have the ability to influence how the country is run. But South Korea on the other hand is more like a dictatorship and the people there live in a lie."

 

You must have it all figured out. Can I be part of your "wice club"?

9/11 was an inside job (jet fuel can't smelt steel beems). Did I get it right?