Macron Wants To Ban 'Fake News' During Elections

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o_O.Q said:

WhatATimeToBeAlive said:
Looks like many of you don't know what is the issue behind this. It's not aimed against individuals who state their opinions, conspiracy theories, etc.. The problem is the organised disinformation/propaganda that is (mainly) spread by Russia.

Putin and his inner circle got scared in 2011 when there were big protests against him in Russia, and many of the North African and Middle-East dictators were ousted by the people. Then in 2014 when Ukraine broke away from Russia's influence zone and the "anti-West" attitude/tactic was put in full action, the disinformation-flood from Russia started.

This is done by "the troll-factories" that employ hundreds/thousands of people and are located in Russia (some people who worked there have come public about it). They also use bots who do the work automatically, and probably pay individual people/sites located outside of Russia to spread "the message". Russia has also started to support almost every anti-EU (European Union)/anti-west/far right movement, and target the dissinformation-/hacking-campaings towards elections in Europe and USA.

The main goal of this is to keep Putin (and also other autocrats/dictators) in power, cause division in the EU- and other Western countries (the break-up of EU would be Putins dream, because it would be much easier for Russia to influence decisions of countries who are "on their own" and not part of a big union) and undermine people's trust in democracy (The less people, especially the Russians, want a democratic system the better it's for Putin. All of Russia's allies are also basically run by dictators/autocrats, so that's also a good reason to weaken democracy. Or can you think of situation where a country that is democratically run would like to become an close ally to a country run by a dictator.).

"many of the North African and Middle-East dictators were ousted by the people."

 

i missed this earlier and this is bs that has been spread to justify how the us has been destroying countries like iraq, lybia, syria etc etc etc

there are mountains of evidence that show that the united states has going into these countries and destabalising them by funding, aiding and training rebels and dictators

 

lets take iraq as an example were you aware for example that saddam hussein was put in power by the us?

https://www.globalpolicy.org/iraq-conflict-the-historical-background-/us-and-british-support-for-huss-regime.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/revealed-how-the-west-set-saddam-on-the-bloody-road-to-power-1258618.html

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

 

that the us aided saddam in his attacks?

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

 

or is this all just russia propaganda? i could quite easily go on to talk about lybia, syria etc etc etc

 

witness the birth of al qaeda

 

general wesley clark a russian spy?

 

the thing is that this info is readily available and yet there's still this narrative about how the us is a peaceful benevolent brother to all countries that just wants peace

But where did I state that USA hasn't done anything wrong? I was talking about the wrongdoings and lies of Russia, and provided you multiple sources (also Russian (RT)) that prove that Russia straight up lies about these things. And your argument is "but USA...". How does it justify the wrongdoings of a country if some other country has also done bad things? Russian trolls also use this "argument" very often when they don't have other means to defend the said country.

And where is the evidence that USA destabilized for example Tunisia or Libya? In Tunisia the ruling dictator was overthrown peacefully by the people, and in Libya USA and NATO airforces intervened only when Gaddafi (dictator) sent the army to destroy the protesting people who wanted to end the dictatorship. And Russia gave its approval for the intervention (maybe Putin foresee that the removal of Gadaffi would allow the refugee-wave from Africa to reach Europe).

In Syria USA started to support the opposition when Al-Assad (dictator) ordered the army to destroy the protesting people who wanted to end the dictatorship, and after the situation has escalated to a civil war. Isis and other fundamentalist-groups appeared in Syria long after the civil war started, and there is no evidence that USA has supported them. But that is clear to everyone that Russia has supported this terrible dictator from the start and has itself bombed cities indiscriminately.

In Iraq USA supported Saddam during the Iraq-Iran war (both were dictarorships) during the 80's. This was because USA wanted to restrain Iran's influence in the area. But USA didn't support Saddam after the war when he started to use chemical weapons against civilians, and attacked Kuwait. Russia on the other hand has supported almost all dictatorships, especially during the Cold War. Just look at the military equipment that these countries used, which is mostly made in Russia.

But the main point in all this is that Russia has solely supported dictatorships but Western countries don't do that very often, and when they do, they do it reluctantly, not because they want to promote dictatorship (for example Saudi-Arabia is an ally of USA, because its oil resources are so important to the world economy). But when has Russia/Soviet Union encouraged democracy? Russia doesn't even have any allies that are democracies. And all this is because Russia itself is not a democracy (yes, there are elections, but that was the case also in Soviet Union). But you think that Russia is "good" and USA (and other Western countries?) are "bad"? You seem like a conspiracy theorist.