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vivster said:
o_O.Q said:

you cut out the part where i mention the millions of guns already in circulation... what are you going to do about that? raid everyone's home to take away the guns they already possess?

lets be ridiculous and say you do that and some people hide their guns out in the woods, what's stopping them from taking them up and going on shooting sprees again?

"Can you find such a solution to the thieving problem?"

you didn't provide a solution, you simply ignored reality as people that adopt the "victim blaming" ideology always do

 

"what you need has a lot of legit use as well."

guns have a legitimate use as well, such as ending government tyranny

So what if millions of guns won't be caught? You're still gonna have less guns and people won't be able to get anymore easily. That will definitely lower the number of fatal shootings short term and long term even more. People dying less isn't worth it?

Also, I never understood that thing about protecting yourself against the government or even overtaking it. You do know the government has an army, do you? Have fun with your semi automatic rifles against tanks and trained soldiers in heavy armor.

"That will definitely lower the number of fatal shootings short term and long term even more. People dying less isn't worth it?"

my argument to begin with was not about gun regulation, my argument was that since the current situation is one where guns are out there then there's a reason to prepare for the possibility that you might have to defend yourself against someone using a gun

the other thing is that guns are not the only objects used to harm/kill people and at the very core the problem is really the drive people occasionally have to harm/kill other people

so in terms of deaths going down, would they? maybe, maybe not

 

"Also, I never understood that thing about protecting yourself against the government or even overtaking it."

well... its why america is no longer a british colony... haitian revolution... french revolution... etc etc etc its happened quite a lot throughout history

 

its interesting though that now the numbers of communists running around demanding that the government take away businesses from their owners and all private property is expanding while at the same time the idea of resisting government tyranny is at the same expanding... its an interesting observation i've made