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SuperNova on 04 January 2018
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o_O.Q said:
SpokenTruth said:

This, I think is where the disconnect lies.  For some reason, many men believe this is what women believe.  They don't.  Your own example of men going to war is already no longer as big of a factor because women wanted the right to fight for their country just the same.  It's been men that told them no until recently.

Women don't think that they have the market cornered on social hardships...only that the male patriarchy refuses to acknowledge and take corrective action on those that women have. When women didn't have the right to vote, who made that decision?  Men or women?  The social hardships women face are usually not of their own means.  Hence why they continue to press for more balance, equity and equality.

Also, anybody that thinks feminism ignores the plights of men doesn't understand feminism. 

 

"Your own example of men going to war is already no longer as big of a factor because women wanted the right to fight for their country just the same."

really? wanted? so why aren't they fighting to desegregate men's and women's sports?

or did you really mean to say that its not that women wanted the chance to fight alongside men in the past, its that now that the emphasis in combat has moved more to the use of machines women are coming forward

yeah... you're resorting to some type of slight of hand there, so i think i corrected it a bit there

 

"only that the male patriarchy refuses to acknowledge and take corrective action on those that women have. When women didn't have the right to vote, who made that decision?  Men or women?"

men... gloria steinem for example was a CIA agent.. she didn't rise up and push this movement, she was following orders and anyone who has done their research knows that

and come on dude isn't your narrative that men had all the power before? so... wouldn't men have to decide that they wanted women to have more rights and change society? you can't have it both ways

 

"Also, anybody that thinks feminism ignores the plights of men doesn't understand feminism. "

well as far as i know the goal feminism has always been to achieve equal rights between men and women... what are you saying the goals of feminism are from your perspective?

'and come on dude isn't your narrative that the King of France had all the power before? so...wouldn't the King of France have to decide to have himself decapitated by the revolution in oder to establish a democracy? Can't have it both ways.'

Not a single opression in history has ever ended because the opressor suddenly realized the error of their ways and was happy to then give up their privilige. It has always taken fight, uproar and bloodshed to establish a new status quo. People have been had to be forced to reconize other people rights time and time again. Just because an opressor has the overwhelming amount of power in a society, that doesn't mean strengh in numbers isn't a thing.

Also I'm not sure what you think you corrected with your first point, but you come off as borderline insulting to every female soldier in history, the way it's currently phrased.