Peh,
I will try to answer your questions/comments the best I can, there were quite a few, and some mixed in to your posts but I will try to address them all. Just a note, I have quite the imagination but not always the abiility to convey it. I will do my best.
"Are you familiar with the "god of the gaps" argument?"
I am, but I had never heard it actually labeled with a name. It is natural, expecially for primitive human's to try and explain something they don't understand with God. Many still do it. It doesn't bother me (sometimes the REALLY fundamentalist religious folks bother me though, you know, flat earthers, world is only 5000 years old or whatever) when people claim God did this, or God did that. Why is that? Because I believe in God too. The Old Testament/New Testament God that is. I however make sense of things in a scientific way, but I don't let that get in the way of my belief in God. To me, God ultimately is the reason everything is. I believe that, even though I see the world scientifically. This is because I have faith. I don't have to justify or explain faith, it just is what it is, and I have it.
"That's what I don't like about apologists. You just take your God and place it somewhere where he cannot possible be found in order to say, "He exists there, prove me wrong". "
I didn't know what an apologist was until you brought it up. I guess you could call me one but please read on first. I came upon my idea of God possibly being a multidimentional being all on my own. I already had faith, but while I was watching some physicists talk on a YouTube video and explain the concept of higher dimensions, it just made me think of God. I could now marry God and science, I never thought that could happen for me. I thought faith would be all I had to understand Him, but my rational mind can understand the concept of multiple dimensions outside our own and I thought to myself, if we live in 3 dimensions, why can't there be beings in higher dimensions? Now this idea is still at odds with my faith based God, as this now suggests that God might not be unique, there might be many, just as there are people. I then realized, that doesn't really matter does it?? God is still God, my faith in His promises is still there, and the hope I have for something beyond this life hasn't changed.
"Do you know where they put God in the beginning of writing the scripts? They place him in the sky. Why? Because no human being was able to get there to confirm that he is actually there. While we were able to go past that and even further, god was placed further and further away. Just to be sure that no one can disprove his existence."
This sounds to me like you feel all religious people conspire to falsly convince everyone of something they know to not be true. I will just reiterate that faith is what makes me believe, and is what makes all who believe, believe. As I said, I merely made a connection, I did not read anyone's blog or whatever and adopt it. I sought out articles after I thought of it to see if I was the only one. To get back to the placing God further and further away, I don't think that is really quite true. If for instance, we believe God is a multidimensional being, then God is everywhere. He is in the sky, the ground, the air, the stars, everywhere. So saying God dwells in the sky is true if you believe him to be multidimensional.
"This seems to go in the direction of agnosticism. Higher dimension have not been proved nor is there any trace of them actually existing. They are just concepts as of now."
You are right, but they seem very possible. I find it incredibly fun to think about. Yes they aren't proven, and therefore anyone can say that God doesn't exist because such and such can't be proven etc, but it is extremely fascinating to think about, thats all I can say. I assumed many athiests are very science minded, I would think the possibility of multiple dimensions, would give more credibility to God possibly existing. Lets say we somehow prove that multiple dimensions exist, doesn't that warrant a great possiblity for God also existing?
I am not agnostic just as an fyi. I believe in the God of the Old/New testament, but I don't deny that my faith might not contain the "big picture", and that there could be details about God (or gods???) that are not disclosed in any text we have.
"The question I am still bugged with is... does God know what it is? Why it is? Why it exists? You must try to imagine that you are the first being ever made."
I don't have an answer for that, but its fun to think about isn't it? Perhaps God just became, or perhaps he is one of many just like we are one of many. Perhaps he is just a kid in his dimension, and we are just tadpoles in his pond lol. I really don't know for sure. My faith however, is in the God of the Bible. I feel that was God speaking to us in His own way. Much like a father or mother raises their creation (their child), God raises us through the Bible and through faith. I can't explain that very well, I just feel it.
I can't help but feel you are quite angry or hellbent on debunking religion. While I will not try to make you believe, I will suggest you keep your mind open to all viewpoints in this world. Don't jump to conclusions about people's intelligence, don't let emotion dictate your viewpoints. Try to be understanding, and "feel" your way to the truth rather than always try to "think" your way to it.
I feel if you look for God, you will find him, if you push Him away or continue to find ways to debunk Him, you will succeed. I personally found more happiness, worth, hope, and meaning by looking for God, but to each their own.
Edit: Read through my post just now, I apologize if some of my statements sound accusational (is that a word? Lol). I just speak my mind and don't always pay attention to how it might come off to someone else.
Last edited by clevited - on 28 December 2017
