"Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important."

[o_O.Q]

adisababa said:

o_O.Q said:

"We atheists do get an enormous amount of satisfaction from the fact that we're not complete morons and are in fact able to employ critical thinking" 

but the thing is... you (not you personally but atheists generally) end up following the same patterns of thought that religious people do and you have no idea how unbelievably amusing it is to see the lack of consistency and awareness

where do you think all of these anarcho-communist that want to bring heaven on earth are coming from? what about the people that want to bring about "equality"? its motivated by the same paradigms that influence religious people... the only different is that god is being replaced by the state/man

 

"It's one of the very few things that helps to hold the balance against all the negative things we do receive because of our belief"

i'm sorry but i don't buy that argument...atheism is the IN thing now, its trendy to be atheist in modern countries now especially among the youth, just look at the answers in this thread for example

to imply that you become some sort of a pariah for being an atheist just isn't in line with what's actually going on... if anything its more of the opposite

 

" it's one of the few things that helps us cope"

lol stop

 

"atheism isn't a position that you can hold. It's a mere byproduct of using the scientific method."

its actually not... you can't show me a scientific experiment that disproves a god or the supernatural... we can't even measure the vast majority of the matter around us

So you claim that atheism is a religion? Though it does share similarities with religion like conviction and a belief system, it is nowhere close to being a religion. There is one huge difference, we don't believe, or have faith in the supernatural or God or anything intangible. We use reasoning through lack of evidence, historical inconsistencies, unreliable sources and of course science. If god is being replaced by the state/man then that means we believe in something concrete and tangible rather than something that doesn't exist (since it hasn't been proven), and that by its very nature means that it is not a religion and thus their "paradigms of thought" are vastly different than that of the religious. The religious rely on faith while atheists use reasoning. 

I kinda agree however it would be a lie to say that it is not a by-product of science, I think the right thing to say is that it is not ONLY a by-product of science. There are a lot more elements at play here. 

 

"So you claim that atheism is a religion?"

no i did not... i stated that for many atheists the motivational drive to be atheist ultimately is the same as for religious people with their religion

beyond that many atheists have similar aims to religious people

an example i listed earlier is the rise of "anarcho-communists" who are pretty much all atheists who have the goal of bringing about the communist utopia (heaven) on earth through the state (god)... but they can't see their hypocrisy because they lack the self awareness to do so

 

from where i stand there really isn't much different between the average atheist and the average religious person... they both don't really understand their beliefs or motivation drives

 

"We use reasoning through lack of evidence, historical inconsistencies, unreliable sources and of course science."

lol that's your claim, but from what i've seen its not really true

 

"If god is being replaced by the state/man then that means we believe in something concrete and tangible rather than something that doesn't exist"

lol that's a fair point, but you have to understand that the motivation drive is the exact same and beyond that i'd say that to place faith in men to make a perfect world is the most foolhardy thing i can think of

 

" If god is being replaced by the state/man then that means we believe in something concrete and tangible rather than something that doesn't exist (since it hasn't been proven), and that by its very nature means that it is not a religion and thus their "paradigms of thought" are vastly different than that of the religious. The religious rely on faith while atheists use reasoning. "

if the goal of the motivation - a perfect world or utopia or "equality"  is the same how can you rationally tell me that the patterns of thought are different?

 

"The religious rely on faith while atheists use reasoning. "

LOL you don't really understand people then and that's unfortunate because it means that at least partly you don't understand yourself