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Captain_Yuri said:

I think Valve will get shat on regardless of what they do. Like they removed 150-200 "fake" games from steam and no one cared...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-27-valve-removes-over-150-fake-games-from-steam

They remove one game with questionable material based on their investigation on the actions of the developer and everyone is like derp, Valve is terrible. It's like wtf...

Like k, I don't agree with the decision of removing the game but here's the thing. What do people think will happen if Valve starts curating their store seriously? When you have curators, games will be subjective af. If a Curator thinks something is meant for "pedos" and shouldn't be on steam, it will either be removed or not allowed on steam in the first place. But what will people's reaction is gonna be? Boo Valve!

On the other end, if they don't curate, guess what's people's reaction is gonna be? Boo Valve! It's laughable honestly.

That is bullcrap. There is something as an objective minimum standard a game should fulfill before being sold as such. That has nothing to do with subjectivity. If a game is too unfinished to be sold it's not a problem if Valve's curators deny it. They can just come back when there actually is a game with content and at least some kind of polish. Which they of course won't because crap games will always stay crap games. You can instantly see if a game was made by a competent developer or someone who just wants to make a quick buck.

Removing 200 fake games from Steam is what's laughable. First of all, how did they get there in the first place? Are you really commending Valve for cleaning up some of the shit they themselves let on their storefront? And 200 is nothing against the thousands of trash games on the store. They fucking let games on their store that don't even have a fucking working executable file.

Only 10 people would be enough to check the vast majority of new games on steam for a minimum level of quality. Valve has enough money to hire hundreds if not thousands of curators to do that job, but they won't even spend money on one and just let everything on their store by default.

The only time Valve does something is if it threatens bad PR on a large scale. For example games that could be perceived as pedo bait. Valve doesn't care about quality or protecting customers, they only care about raking in the maximum amount of money. They only did something against the gambling on their store when it developed into a news story.

So no, fuck Valve. I won't give them any credit for doing the right thing only when their marketing department forces them to do it. It's deplorable.

" There is something as an objective minimum standard a game should fulfill before being sold as such. That has nothing to do with subjectivity. If a game is too unfinished to be sold it's not a problem if Valve's curators deny it."

That's already subjective... What constitutes as a game that is too unfinished since that will vary from person to person. Some people think that any game that has a bug is considered unfinished while other people are fine if a game has tons of bugs and glitches. Looks at PUGB, granted it is an Early Access game but it goes to show how many people are perfectly fine playing buggy games.

Yea Valve let them in but I am commending the fact that they are doing something about it. Valve is in a position where they don't have to do anything about it yet they are taking steps to make their store front better. We have already seen many companies that are in a similar position as Valve do virtually nothing about their store front or even remotely Listen to their customers. Valve is at least trying to revamp their store and trying to listen to their customers and revamping is gonna take sometime to do so. I am not saying Valve is perfect but bashing their every move with negativity is just nonsense imo.

Minimum level of quality is again, very subjective... We have seen some really bad games make it onto just about any platform. Just google top worst games on psn/xbox/nintendo and you will see games that are just as bad as the ones on steam. Granted at a much lower scale but the point is, curation isn't the end all solution...

That sounds like every company tbh... To me, Valve with Steam seems to at least have better intentions for their customers compared to a lot of other companies... Most other companies that have store fronts don't even have all the features that steam has regardless of how many times the features have been requested. People want refund systems for Psn/xbl/Eshop, people want user reviews and family sharing and cloud storage per game basis and etc but is Sony/MS/Nintendo listening? Not really... Even on the PC field, I don't see other store fronts offering Family Sharing and etc like Steam does. Yea they have some features that steam has like a refund system and sometimes cloud saves but not the rest.

Also there are some pedo-sh games on steam so...

http://store.steampowered.com/app/417110/Mayjasmine_Episode01__What_is_God/

I am not saying Valve is like the most perfect company in the world but if people are gonna criticize Valve on their faults, they should also praise when Valve does something good or fixes their mistake... Otherwise, it's just a hate train and nothing more...