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fatslob-:O said:
Birimbau said:

If you definition of being independent is make people notice the elephant in the room. Yes. My definition of independence is no chinese force can enter Taiwan soil without being received under bullets.

The key point is that Taiwan doesn't fully recognize it's own independence, full stop so that is all that matters ...  

Can a nation really proclaim itself to be an independent country if they themselves don't recognize so ?

i think this is getting off-topic, maybe open a new thread ... 

Yes. China don't have a single say in Taiwan affairs. Different from Catalonia which is under Spanish control.