habam said:
yeah not yet, but we get close. 10nm is pretty much the standard today. 6-8nm next year is definitly possible
Here are some benchmark scores for the Chips: GFX (graphics) Trex 1080p rendering results in FPS A11 Bionic: 150 FPS A10X (iPad Pro): 220 FPS Nvidia Shield TV (basically docked switch): 117 FPS Google Pixel C (Tegra X1): 88 FPS Tegra X2 had 180 but the results got removed. (= http://i.imgur.com/RzLAyeo.png )
CPU (Geekbench 4)
A11 Bionic: Singlecore: 4200 Multicore: 10100
A10X: Singlecore: 3900 Multicore: 9300
Tegra X1 (Shield TV): Singlecore: 1500 Multicore: 4000
Google Pixel C (Tegra X1) Singlecore: 1200 Multicore: 3700
So in terms of CPU Nvidia isnt really outstanding and Snapdragon was even better back in 2015. GPU performance is nice but Apples A10X Chip is already significantly better then the still unreleased Tegra X2. As soon as the new iPad Pro with A11X chip gets released the gap will be even bigger.
BTW the A10X chip uses a “PowerVR Series” Hex-Core 7XT GT7600 Plus GPU thats custimzed by apple. The A11Bionic is the first chip that really uses a 100% apple made GPU. Sony could theoretically Use a GPU from PowerVR similar to the one in the A10X and CPU from Snapdragon and be on par/better then Nvidia current Tegras Chips. But they wont do that anyway, like you said ;) But (nice to know) the PS Vita actually had a GPU from PowerVR ^^
Apples custom GPU in the A11Bionic is really interesting as well though. 150 FPS with just 3 cores is insane. The next iPad will likely have a similar design with 6+ cores (currenty 10X has 12 cores) so we could expect something around 300 FPS which actually is very similar to the power of an Xbox One (CPU is already way stronger then the weak jaguar cores). So the next iPad might be stronger then the OG Xbox One overall which is pretty insane |
For mobile chipsets, yes, for full blown X86? No, were still stuck on 14nm with Zen and coffee lake. And we have been stuck on 14nm for three years by now. By the time cannonlake releases late next year it will be four years before the first 10nm chip is even on the market. This is far from being pretty much the standart. I was serious when I said 4-6 nm isn't even on any roadmap yet. There's absolutely no reason to expect them next year. We'll probably see 7nm in about five years.
As for your banchmarks. Firstly, thank you! Secondly, again the A10X is a 2017 chip going up against a 2015 chip. It has a more modern architechture and a die shrink. It should be better than Tegra. As for the X2, I'd expect NVIDIA to optimize the chip for gaming for Nintendo, as it is more geared towards machine learning and AI right now, but its hard to say. Overall, yeah Sony could get a mobile chipset toghether for a hybrid PS5, but it would sit between PS4 and PS4pro powerwise and I don't think that's a good look in Sonys marketposition.
We agree that Apple designs impressive chips though! ;) I'd love to see a strong Ipad pro next year, mostly because I'd be able to take my work on the go much more efficiently.
