If Sea of Thieves Succeeds?

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Azzanation said:

DonFerrari said:

And you aren't understanding that buying a dev that already exist and demanding a specific game is just the same. If the devs over there want to make another game they can look for another job the same way. So again I ask you the difference.

You are really reaching. Comparing the development of a single IP on an industry to a whole industry.

So Ubisoft makes a Rabbid game but it's a Mario game with Rabbid Kameo? This is gold.

Yes it's a Mario game, Mario characters, not Mario franchise. Mario have dozen of different franchises and IP that you can consider spin-off if you want. But nope, they are different IPs that use the chars.

And again I haven't once said Halo Wars isn't a spin-off, I said that you comparing a franchise spin-off to games made using the same chars is funny. This is why I said if it called Master Chief's Wars and revolved on the Master Chief instead of Halo franchise then it would be closer to the Mario situation. But anyway that is semantics.

Sure SoT being successful is important to Rare. And seems like for the happiness of most here, for then to develop bigger and better games.

Dude it doesn't matter if another dev makes the games or use there characters, Mario and Rabbids is still a Mario game and its still milking all the same. Using Mario or Link or Nathan Drake in other games is still the same thing. Mario and Rabbids is only one Mario game they released this year, how many other Mario games get released though out the years. Halo Wars is also made by a different dev so what's the difference? There isn't. You want to point out that MS milk there franchises by releasing games yearly and jumping on Halo Wars 2 and MCC as milking then act like Nintendo do it differently is embarrassing on your behalf.

Nintendo and Sony both milk when there's money involved. Sony milks GT, Nintendo milks Mario and MS milk Halo.

We also don't know the contract 343 has with MS, maybe they do and maybe they don't have the freedom outside of Halo, I highly doubt they do and it doesn't matter because you would be a stupid dev to accept a job roll at 343i if you are not into making Halo games. If you want to say there forced go for it, I wont stop you, now take into account Rare isn't 343 so keep that in mind and I haven't heard any complaints about 343 wanting to move past Halo.

Now I am done debating this with you. I have taken a neutral side on all 3 big brands here not singling one out yet you still want to throw eggs at MS for milking Halo and locking devs into making 1 IP for there eternity is silly and doesn't seem like you want to change that mindset. So go write a thread about how bad MS is and there shameful acts of milking brands.

This thread is about Rare and its future, and MS has allowed Rare to make a new IP which puts all your points about MS to rest.  

eva01beserk said:

What you just described is 343 being forced to do halo. If they don't then get the hell out.

Even in the tv business there's some creative choice. Lets say the techies want to advance LED but sony says no, you have to do OLED its the future, if not get the hell  out. then they would be force to do it. That's the thing about being a dev, you are meant to create. I get what you mean that 343 was created for halo, But like don said at some point, forcing the same thing on the devs will make them either quit so they can finally explore their horizon(with so little dev power ms cant afford that) or they will keep making poor quality games since they cant squeeze anymore out of it, or just are tired and cant come up with anything else. How bad halo 5 was received and the declining sales is proof of that.

That's what there job is. 343 hire devs that want to work on Halo. Hence why the brand is called 343i after a Halo character. If you work for 343 you are contracted to work on Halo. Either way the point has gone past many. If you want to say there forced by there own will to make Halo games than go for it. I think the business model has gone past a few in here. 

343 was built solely to build Halo games unlike Rare.

As for the TV example, that division can go on to innovate better TVs however they still only make TVs. Game brands thrive to make better games by innovating so the differences is all the same.

No body is arguing that 343 was not created to do halo. we all know this. But don already said it before me. You can tell their heart is no longer into the game. Just look at the heavily criticized halo 5 campaign.