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Miyamotoo on 13 December 2017
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DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

But games like Skyrim and Doom are less than month on market and actualy companies like Capcom, SQ and Bandai commented sales of games on quarter results, so we can expect same from Bethesda in January. Like I wrote, most of 3rd parties said they are satisfied and they promised stronger support. Old ports and games are also support, and old games and ports are things that they can be ported fastest and thats why they are announcing first, more modern and bigger games require more time for porting

I also mentioned that in OP, 3DS did not failed, but 3DS was so weak and technically old that porting some modern games was very hard to achieve, I mean even Vita had wider 3rd party support in Japan than 3DS. Switch is much closer with power to consoles and technically is very modern, thats why we having games like Skyrim, Doom or Wolfenstein 2 on Switch. Talking about Capcom and SQ, you do realise they last month talk how are satisfied with sales and how will gave much stronger support to Switch!? Only in one month Capcom unanuced Ace Atorney, Mega Man Legacy Collection 1, Mega Man Legacy Collection 2, Mega Man X Collection, Mega Man 11 and Street Fighter Collection.

Point with GC is simple, it was selling much worse than PS2 and it was obvious it will have much lower instal base. I alredy explained that Switch will getting much better and stronger 3rd party support than did this year, so Switch will easily have more and better games than GC had. Again, 3rd parties will keep making games for Switch until Switch and those games are selling on Switch, regardles PS5.

So we are getting back to Switch dont have games so thats why all games are selling great!? :D  Interesting enough, that wasn't case with Wii U.

Actually Bayonetta 1 and Bayonetta 2 are two releases, you can buy only one game or both, so two releases and two games, not one. And thats exatly my point, FE is being biggest one currently can't be bad sign because we still don't know nothing about most of 2018. Switch lineup, bad sign would be if E3 2018. was finished and FE is still biggest one for 2018. You also thouth thats bad sign for Q1 of 2018. because Nintendo didn't did not specifically said nothing about Q1 games, and now we have two Bayonetta games for February.

 

Also, pls read what I wrote, you again start forcing me write same things that I already wrote in previous posts.

What's stopping those companies from saying something? Nothing.
One month is more than enough for a comment or two. They don't have to wait for a meeting.

Old ports are support, indeed. Problem is you don't get new costumers with ports. In other words, gamers don't buy a console for ports.
You claim how great the support will become and you can only name ports and more ports. Not only that, you ignore what Capcom and SE never said: they still haven't said that Switch will get their best games. That is what should be happening, seeing as they are satisfied. But it's not.

Switch will get more SW despite PS5? You realise that Switch is not the core platform from which ports are made and that there isn't a whole lot of exclusive games (non-indies) from 3rd parties, right?
When PS5 arrives, there's the real danger that Switch won't be able to handle ports of those games.

"I alredy explained that Switch will getting much better and stronger 3rd party support than did this year, so Switch will easily have more and better games than GC had. "
And this is why you keep repeating yourself: you imagine a scenario and treat it as if it was reality. And when i try to ask for proof, you can't provide anything but your own expectations.
Reality is that we have a few non-japanese companies talking about how they liked Switch sales, but in a 200+ game library, that's too little;
You speak of an increase of support but we get is news of more and more ports and no signs that these same companies will improve their support (Capcom and SE's latest comments don't point to a better support).

 

"You also thouth thats bad sign for Q1 of 2018. because Nintendo didn't did not specifically said nothing about Q1 games, and now we have two Bayonetta games for February."
Forgive me for wanting more than ports from Nintendo. 
If Nintendo has streamlined their production, the release Schedule should be far superior to Wii U - as you implied before. Where are the 3 Nintendo games for Q1 - at least? If we get more ports than new games...

And speaking of FE, sales aren't mindblowing.
Also FE Warriors sales show that the IP isn't all that big.
So i'll say again: having FE as the biggest title revealed so far is not a good sign.

You have some very strange points, nothing stops them, but thats how they do, fact is that companies very rarely commented sales of games outside quarter results, Capcom, Bandai and SQ all commented sales at quarter results.

Actually you get new customers even with ports, we already saw plenty of people said they are buying Switch because they can play Skyrim, Doom or Rocket League in full handheld mode. You again missing point, even old ports can be quite popular on Switch because full handheld mode, and that wasn't case before for those games before. Of Course they never said "their best games", there is no sense to say something like that, much stronger support and much more games is enugh and expeted. Basicly Capcom and SQ said we are satisfied with sales of our games on Switch and we are satisfied with Switch sales, so we are gave Switch much stronger support, you cant spin that.

Yes, like I wrote, if games are still selling on Switch and Switch is still seling, 3rd parties will contine releasing games on Switch regardles new consoles, beacuse main point is offcourse profit.

No, this is point where you ignoring clear facts, almost all 3rd parties that relased games on Switch comented how they are satisfied with sales on Switch and promising stronger support (and we arledy see for instance how much games Capcom unancued for Switch in just last month). Also like I wrote, how Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rasing it will get much more 3rd party support, espacily beacuse good part of 3rd party take "wait and see aprouch" after Wii U. We already agree that ports are also support. Again, basicly Capcom and SQ said we are geting much stronger support and more games for Switch, but for you that "don't point to a better support"!? Relly!?

 

Its not point about ports, you wrote nothing in any case, you didn't said there will be some ports, you said there will be nothing, you were obviosly wrong. Offcourse that those two games will not be only games, for other Q1/Q2 games we will need to wait Nintendo Direct in January, and Switch linuep is far superior than Wii Us in any case (just open your eyes, images down).

Again, FE is being biggest one (I dont say its huge title) currently can't be bad sign because we still don't know nothing about most of 2018. lineup, bad sign would be if E3 2018. was finished and FE is still biggest one for 2018. You also thouth thats bad sign for Q1 of 2018. because Nintendo didn't did not specifically said nothing about Q1 games, and now we have two Bayonetta games for February.

 

Here are the releases during the first 9.5 months of the Wii U in 2012/2013:

https://abload.de/img/wii_u-games5mub4.png

Here are the releases during the first 9 months of the Nintendo Switch, as a comparison:

https://abload.de/img/switch-games1ps4b.png

For December 2017, there seems to be around 70 new titles (all digital release dates aren't announced yet).

 

 

spemanig said:
Miyamotoo said:

But my main point is that we are getting much more and more 3rd party announcements how time is passing and Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rising. You can bet after news that Switch already has 10m instal base just in 9 months that some 3rd parties decided to bring some games to Switch. In 2018. we will see incomparible much more 3rd party announcements than we had this year.

The Wii selling well didn't help, and it wasn't anchored by expensive carts. Switch isn't getting "much more announcements." It's getting throwbacks, and a tiny handful of multiplats. No reason to believe that any of that will lead to support approaching the SNES, which was essentially ubiquitous. Like I said, it's not even approaching GCN at this trajectory. Make a list of the multiplats Switch isn't getting in 2018, and tell me the future is as bright as the OP suggests.

I wrote that in OP, Wii had huge power difrence compared to PS3/Xbox360 and was tehnicaly very old, Switch power gap is much slower compared to XB1/PS4 and tehnicaly is on pair with them with support for all modern engines. In other words, ports are much more posible. I didnt said like SNES, but best after SNES. We still dont know almost nothing about 2018. Switch linuep (January Direct will be good start), but I wrote in OP why Switch will have much more 3rd party annucemnts than we had this year (almost all 3rd parties that relased games on Switch comented how they are satisfied with sales on Switch and promising stronger support. Also like I wrote, how Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rasing it will get much more 3rd party support, espacily beacuse good part of 3rd party take "wait and see aprouch" after Wii U).

 

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 14 December 2017