| CrazyGamer2017 said: I'm amazed how easily you try to get away from the issue by excuses that don't really make much sense: Examples taken before WW2, As if an imaginary line makes stuff before WW2 ok and magically not ok right after WW2, very convenient to justify your anti-Jewish argument. Indians eliminated by smallpox. Wow you must feel so good about America having invaded Indian territory cause smallpox is the bad guy, not the good white settlers who took a land unoccupied by Indians... And finally Israel and their ancient kingdoms did not exist, they were just made up? How convenient... Except there are documents attesting to their existence, history, monuments too. I can't believe you are trying to undo history just to accommodate your pro-palestiniant views. That's what they call revisionism, when people deny history to justify something. Kind of like those who say that Hitler never killed the Jews in the concentration camps. If you need to undo history to justify your side of the argument then as far as I am concerned you have no argument. At least that last part of your comment can be discussed (cause up to now, it's just a cop-out and revisionism) so about Israel occupying palestinian land, well it's FAIR. 1 Because it is historically their land... Oh right, you changed history to avoid this, ok fine let's move on to the next argument: it's STILL fair, cause after the UN allocated land to the Jews in 1947 (or will you say that did not happen too?) after that, the Arabs ATTACKED Israel with the intent of DESTROYING Israel for the ONLY reason that a NON muslim nation was born in the MIDDLE of what is purely a muslim area (how nice and tolerant of them, right?) and while NEVER at peace with the Jews, the Arabs attacked AGAIN in 1967, this time all together, palestinians, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria etc... to murder all Jews to the last man, woman and child... But they failed cause Israel was (and as I argued before can ONLY be militarily powerful or they would have ceased to exist back in those days) victorious, in 6 days they crippled the enemy armies and as a totally JUSTIFIED punishment, took some land as buffer zones. Let me repeat this very important part: Arabs attacked to destroy every last Jew in Israel. Israel attacked to defend and took SOME land as a very justified punishment. Do you see the difference? Taking some land and trying to commit genocide as the muslims tried is quite different in my book. After that, the palestinians had their excuse to commit more violence and whine to the world oooooh the mean Israelis took our land from us good palestinians for no reason, boooh... After that it was a permanent guerilla warfare and terrorism, rocket launches to try to randomly murder Jews, shot from Gaza and the West bank, terrorists blowing themselves up in buses and public places in Israel. And you seriously suggest that land should be returned to those barbarians? Israel in my opinion is weak and does not go far enough. The only true solution is to kick all palestinians out of at least the West Bank and take that territory who was ANYWAY Jewish land to begin with. If there are no palestinians there, there won't be any attacks coming from there, simple logic. As for palestinians, when you see the HUGE lands around Israel, it's all muslim land and they could settle in so many places out there and live peacefully (if peace was what those people really wanted). Unfortunately Israel is weak on this issue cause creating buffer zones in the West Bank and only pushing palestinians farther in does not change the malevolent nature of palestinians. You don't defeat a cancerous tumor by reducing it or by putting anti cancer stuff AROUND the tumor, you need to completely eliminate the cancerous tumor in its heart. In other words buffer zones and settlements are not enough. Palestinians need to go to new land of which there is so much choice outside and around Israel. I know its drastic, I'm not saying it would be easy and would give among guys like you an excuse to hate even more on Israel, but the truth is it is either that or permanent war with palestinians who will NEVER accept Israel. Not when Israel was created and did NOT take any land from Palestinians and NOT now that they have justifiably taken some land. Sorry but you will not so easily deconstruct my psychology |
I thought the UN was established after WWII for a reason ?
American settlers can't really be "invading" if all their taking is vacant land ...
If you mean by documents such as their Hebrew "Bible" then sure but I doubt many are willing to accept it as an accurate recollection of previous events. Ancient Israel is just a part of their "religion" like it or not so the jewish aren't reclaiming anything, they've just artificially enshrined their legend on a land in a state that is no more than 70 years old. I'm very far away from being pro-palestinian if that's what you think since I don't have a very high opinion with associated Sunni Islam culture and I very much realize that they are the first hand aggressors ...
You may think it's fair but the UN on the other hand does not and sees it as Israel unlawfully occupying what is supposed to be Palestine administered territory but that doesn't mean it's just to take land from another nation. The colony of Canada never saw it to be acceptable to take US territory even though americans were the aggressors and subsequently americans never felt like they needed to take japanese territory when WWII came to a conclusion and in fact have returned the administration of Senkaku Islands back to Japan after some time past WWII so why does Israel feel the need to take so much of the Palestinian land when their military is that much stronger ?
Yes, Israel should return the land that they have taken if they still want to appeal to the international community. West bank is jewish land to begin with ? Now THAT is revisionist since there's no thorough account of the jewish holding Israel in the past to any significant degree and Israel was once a colony of ancient Egypt before any mention of Israel. At most the before the creation of the state, the jewish has only held the region for 5 centuries in the distant past. If anyone's going to claim Israel the right should go to the arabs since they've held that territory far more longer such as the Babylonian/Persian rule, Caliphates, Mamluk rule and it especially helps that the Ottoman Empire are the recent administration and for 400 years at that too ...
You're right that Israel is weak, in fact they should probably invade more Palestinian territories and become a proud successor to the Third Reich ... /s
What you suggested is just stupid since palestinians could decide to migrate to Europe where that region is far more charitable than the rest of the middle east which would ACTUALLY give the neo-nazi's some real ammo to use against the jewish community ...
