2017 Year of Sexual Harassment

[o_O.Q]

VGPolyglot said:

o_O.Q said:

 

"It's because we live in a society where mean are in a preferable position"

we don't live in the 1950s, women dominate tertiary education and earn more than men in their 20s, i suppose this drops off as women get older because of issues like them having kids

 

" thus the women are essentially pressured into doing so to be successful"

i wasn't talking about social pressure that women face, i was talking about one aspect of what women are attracted to in men - success and power... unless your argument is that you don't really think women are attracted more to powerful and successful men

 

"they however have to live in a society that is skewed in favour of men"

how? when sexism against women is illegal?

 

" thus have to do things that they otherwise wouldn't do if there was a more equal playing ground"

again, we do not live in the 1950s and this is another strawman regardless

 

"And it's interesting how apparently eliminating hierarchies makes people homogeneous"

well you'd have to first understand that differences naturally result in hierarchies... do you at least understand that?

 

"because having it so that people have to give up a bit of themselves in order to succeed seems like it makes people more heterogeneous to me."

expand upon this please, because i really don't understand what you are saying here

is your argument here that people shouldn't have to work? please clarify

Yes, we don't live in the 50s, but when the institutions that perpetuate sexism are still in place, whether it's technically "legal" or not is not going to make much of a difference, especially when there is already an uphill battle to climb in the first place. And you weren't talking about societal pressure? So then, you're one of those people that subscribes to that alpha and beta ideology that is honestly extremely questionable. How about we ask the women here whether or not they like being sexually harassed? I assume we already know what the answer will be. And hierarchies eliminate individuality because it forces people to conform in order to be accepted into the workforce: if people deviate too much from the expectations they are not going to last long. My argument isn't that people shouldn't have to work, it's that they shouldn't have to sell their labour at their own expense to the enrichment of others.

 

"but when the institutions that perpetuate sexism are still in place"

the institutions? can you elaborate on this please?

 

"whether it's technically "legal" or not is not going to make much of a difference"

so what other measures would you propose?

 

" So then, you're one of those people that subscribes to that alpha and beta ideology that is honestly extremely questionable."

to what? i'm saying that women prefer men that are successful, are you really trying to deny this? lol

edit: i just looked up whatever that is that you posted there and if the idea is that some men are more attractive to women than others then yes i would agree... i mean isn't that obvious?

 

" And hierarchies eliminate individuality because it forces people to conform in order to be accepted into the workforce"

if i make my own business how am i conforming? lol

hierarchies are the direct result of individuality, i really don't see how anybody that understands what both mean could argue otherwise

 

"if people deviate too much from the expectations they are not going to last long"

which is a social problem not a problem resulting from individuality ( the opposite ) and that's why we all have the option of creating our own forms of employment

 

"My argument isn't that people shouldn't have to work, it's that they shouldn't have to sell their labour at their own expense to the enrichment of others."

again people do this when they do not create their own forms of employment of course if you work for someone else you have to conform to their rules

 

btw you could make this argument for society as a whole, why don't people walk around naked? why is sexual harassment a problem? why don't people steal constantly? its because to live in a society we have to suppress ourselves to work together

how can you argue against sexual harassment while at the same time denigrating the need of people to suppress a little of their individuality to work together? i mean you are literally arguing for two opposite ideas now