2017 Year of Sexual Harassment

[o_O.Q]

Zkuq said:

o_O.Q said:

"but generally it's clear as day that they're unacceptable behaviour."

and no one at all times abides by the concepts of what society deems as aceptable

don't get me wrong here, i'm not saying that this is not a problem, but i think its necessary to come at problems from a realistic perspective with the intention of actually mitigating against the problem in some way, or reducing the problem if possible

and tbh the dynamics in terms of how women and men operate make a solution for this difficult to unlikely imo, i already mentioned one - that women are generally drawn to men with power and that those men are most likely to be the type that pushes past boundaries... what can be done about this? i can't think of anything personally

maybe at some point we need to come to terms with the fact that the world is not perfect and that we need to accept that there is always going to be some risk that is innate to existing

Psst, your posts are more readable if you insert less newlines. Forum software makes each newline start a new paragraph, as you can see when posting. I edited the extra newlines from your post to make it easier to read.

I am trying to come at this problem (like most others) from a realistic perspective. The realistic perspective here is that people pull off some stuff that should be prevented by common sense. I'm not talking about ambiguous situations where it's difficult to say whether something is harassment or not, but situations where common sense should dictate what's appropriate and what's not. Once we get that fixed, it should be easier to focus on the more difficult situations.

Women are individuals like men, and not everyone behaves the same. There might be some general trends, but I don't think what you're describing is accurate enough to warrant such generalization. There's a relatively small number of men with power, and it's not possible for all women to be drawn to them and getting harassed because of that. Men with power get the most attention in these cases because they're well known but it doesn't mean harassment done by them makes up most of harassment overall. Most harassment happens in everyday interactions with people roughly on the same level (power-wise). And I seriously hope you're not counting a woman as drawn to a man with power if that man is her boss, because most jobs have bosses, most people need a job, and thus women have a really hard time avoiding this kind of men with power, whether they want it or not.

Harassment, as it is, is not something that is acceptable in any way. We can probably never get rid of it completely, but the time for that argument is not even close when most harassment goes against common sense. You sound like a person who advocates common sense a lot, so why not now? Because it doesn't fit your agenda?

 

" Most harassment happens in everyday interactions with people roughly on the same level "

i stated before that power imbalance is one factor in this issue... one as in one of several, i focused on this aspect because most of the cases we have been seeing have been with men in positions of power

 

" The realistic perspective here is that people pull off some stuff that should be prevented by common sense."

we wouldn't need laws and punishments if everyone abided by that kind of principle as i stated before

 

"Women are individuals like men"

we classify women as "women" because it is acknowledged that there are generalisations that can be made about them as a group... otherwise we couldn't ever make the classification

 

" Men with power get the most attention in these cases because they're well known but it doesn't mean harassment done by them makes up most of harassment overall"

that wasn't my argument, i'm not talking primarily about extremes here, but i would argue that women prefer a man that is at least at her level financially/socially and preferably above... and i do think that this drives a lot of the desire for success in men

 

"And I seriously hope you're not counting a woman as drawn to a man with power if that man is her boss, because most jobs have bosses, most people need a job, and thus women have a really hard time avoiding this kind of men with power, whether they want it or not."

that's one example yes... and as you alluded to here what can be done about that?

 

"You sound like a person who advocates common sense a lot, so why not now? Because it doesn't fit your agenda?"

believing that people could ever at all times behave in a way that aligns with "common sense" is not sensible... i've never claimed that i believe that people are entirely rational or could ever be entirely rational

that's to be honest one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard and its usually derived from the idea that when we destroy religion completely everyone will be rational right away

and what is my agenda?