Microsoft pushing EXTREMELY HARD with marketing the one X

[DonFerrari]

Pemalite said:

Errorist76 said:

Oh, now I see what type you are...NSA impersonated.

No need for conspiracy theories.

Errorist76 said:
It enhances games without making base unit users feel like they’re using the far inferior machine. All this without massively increasing the file sizes of its games.

The X1X has such a huge GPU power gap it makes base X1 look terrible in comparison. I’d feel really bad if I paid 500 for one just 4 years ago.

Do you honestly think Xbox One gamers actually care? It's common knowledge that the Xbox One and Xbox One S was the technically inferior machine next to the Playstation 4. If it didn't bother Xbox One gamers then, why would they give a crap now? Think about it.

Besides. The Playstation 4 Pro is the technically superior platform compared to the Playstation 4. No sugar coating it there.
And the Xbox One X is the technically superior platform compared to the Playstation 4 and Playstation 4 Pro. That's life.

The Xbox One's performance never changed for the worst.
If someone paid $500 for their console 4 years ago, then they have gotten their money's worth.
You are NOT entitled to have the fastest console ever in a product lineup for eternity you know... There is this thing called "Progression".  - It does actually happen.

To put it bluntly...
If someone complains about the Xbox One X's superior capabilities relative to it's predecessor...
But then champions the Playstation 4 Pro's superior capabilities relative to it's predecessor...

Then they are a hypocrite with double standards, short and simple. - Ask yourself if that apply's to you or if I have simply misconstrued your statements.

Errorist76 said:
Additionally it blows up game sizes to huge amounts, 100-150 GB in some cases, which not only leads to problems with HDD space, download times and data caps, but also longer loading times as reported for Shadow Of War and Wolfenstein 2.

This “intelligent delivery” feature you’re talking about is nothing more than a damage control story atm, that MS is looking into.

For the love of god. Watch the video I posted. Digital Foundry is credible... Making your false "Damage Control" claim entirely redundant.
Here it is again:


As an Xbox One X owner. Majority of games are under 100GB. Only a few exceptions are over that number.

Errorist76 said:
If you really doubt next gen will offer at least a 500% boost in CPU performance, just compare a 4 year old Jaguar core to today’s Ryzen.

I am not doubting anything, that is a false assertion on your behalf, I am asking for citations that show me how you came to such a conclusion.

I believe the problem in this case would arise if they start releasing X1 version of games that are excessively bad because the port is focused on X1X. But since X1 isn't so far from PS4, I don't think that will happen this gen.

RandyS86 said:

Errorist76 said:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1700-vs-AMD-Athlon-5350-APU-R3/3917vsm10020

Ok, it’s more like 400%....my bad.

So you’ve chosen to completely disregard my arguments for price gap and leaving behind base console users...?! I wonder why.

Considering that vid..I’ve read the according DF article about that intelligent delivery a while ago already. It’s a concept atm which they will mostly use for their excessively huge first party titles in order to shrink their sizes. It’s even mandatory, why would anyone understand he has to download 4K assets on his base X1?! It’s crazy X1 users even had to download those updates.

Even DF question many third parties will use it though.

That said it’s still just a concept and not active yet, just like I said.

The 5350 Launched at $60.

The 1700 Launched at $329 

Are you seriously comparing those 2 processors?

As for file sizes, I just googled it and the average X1X enhanced game is 20% bigger on 1X vs the base 1 but Microsoft gives you 100% more storage on the 1TB 1X vs the 500GB base model, so that argument is destroyed.

You claim the PS4 Pro is half the price of the 1X but in reality $399 is only 20% less than $499, not 50%.

How would owners of the OG Xbox One feel bad?  The console is 4 years old and Microsoft is giving them the OPTION to upgrade to the most powerful console ever made... All games are compatible between the 2 machine so your argument, again, is invalid.

You also say Sony did the right thing by only offering a marginal upgrade with the Pro... Seriously?  Sony wants $400 for a system that is 2.3 times more powerful than the base PS4 while Microsoft only wants $100 more for a system that is 4.6 times more powerful than the base Xbox One and somehow that translates into Microsoft being the bad guy?

I've seen a lot of hypocritical statements here on VGChartz but nothing tops this. Unreal.

He is talking X1 or PS4 price versus X1X not PS4Pro... X1X selling for 499 is more than double X1/PS4 price right now... and if (some are expecting) PS4Pro drops to 299 then X1X will be "near" double the price of PS4Pro.

Not that anyone that think about buying X1X is worried about how much the other 3 cost, because if he was he wouldn't even consider X1X.