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Hiku said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Because the two things literally mean the exact same thing. Per usual here, MicroSony does something "bad" but it's only "bad" when Microsoft does it, lol. Again, never change, Chartz. Oh, ok, it's "how" Sony uses it. Ok, cool story, gotcha.

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When I said that "console launch exclusive is a term Microsoft introduced to distinguish between a permanent exclusive and a temporary one", I meant exactly that. Like how Nintendo introduced the term "Nintendo Selects" to mean the same thing as for example Playstation's "Platinum" logo. Both are indications of a reprinted and discounted version of a game. Nintendo's version is "Nintendo Selects." That's the term they came up with to describe it.

Somehow, sommewhere, in a galaxy far far away, even after explaining this to you again, you miraculously missed the point again.

It's a good thing that companies are introducing terms to distinguish a difference to another.
"Console launch exclusive" is Microsoft's version, and "Exclusive console debut" is Sony's version.
That's literally what I said...

And your response is, "no because they mean the same thing".



Is it the word "introduced" that confused you? "Introduced" does not mean "pioneered" or "invented". It's just refering to the first time Microsoft used the term "console launch exclusive". Because that's how they chose to name it.

Now on to the second part of my post, where I mentioned how the terms are used. I mentioned it because you didn't mention it at all in that post.
First of all, I didn't say "How Sony" uses them. I said "how they are used". As in by any company. I was making a general statement here.
"Marketing terms are fine. As long as they're not used in misleading ways." This is true for any company or market. That'sa  fact.

Although on that note, how MS have been using the terms in the case of PUBG has been nothing short of confusing. So if there is anything you should have been defensive about, it would be this. Not at the part where I said that MS did something good...
I said that MS introduced their term for timed exclusives, so that we can more easily distinguish the difference to a permanent one (which is good), and your response was "No, because it means the same thing. Sony did the same thing. Never change Chartz LOL"

Uh, what? You do remember that I am the one who told you they used two different terms for PUBG at E3? That I am the one who told you it said one thing before the trailer, and another afterwards. You didn't know that. In fact you knew very little about the MS E3 while discussing it factually in this thread. So yeah, I'm not forgetting something that I literally made you aware of, lol. The very first time MS discussed PUBG they said it was a console launch exclusive. It's still a launch exclusive. The developer has said they've been in talks with Sony. The game is coming to PS4.

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You ignored it IN THE POST I QUOTED!
Do I actually have to point that out? How are you not understanding these things?
You complained about something that I said not as an insult to MS, but in fact as a praise, but you completely skipped mentioning the big thing I complained about, which was how they used multiple terms to mean the same thing.

And for that matter, stop "subtweeting" me. When you're refering to something I said, quote me or at least mention me by name so I can see you're talking about me and properly respond. But you don't, so you can intentionally leave out the important parts I complained about and act as if I didn't?

Anyway, what you did was point out to me that MS used a different term to describe PUBG at E3. But what you didn't tell me is that at the end of the same trailer, they used yet another, third term in total.
So when you say "The very first time MS discussed PUBG they said it was a console launch exclusive", if you are refering to their E3 presentation, that's not accurate.
In that trailer, it said both "XBO Console launch exclusive" and "XBO Exclusive.".
They did not mention a single word about a game preview version there.

Totally, breh. Exclusive button prompts or an exclusive demo are completely the same thing as the entire game itself. Don't fall while you're making that gargantuan reach, please. I know I said it before but lulz personal attacks brought me back into the thread but I'm washing my hands of this discussion, we've reached the bottom of the barrel with what you just posted, no offense. A for effort.

An Xbox Game Preview is not the entire game. It's similar to Steam's Early Access, where you get to pay to play unfinished versions of a game.
Either way, there are several problems with how MS are labeling the game, dating back to E3, and especially on their site. Not just the choice of term, but how it was presented as well.

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Dude, don’t waste your time. After going back and forth with LudicrousSpeed in this thread, I can say that he is the most unreasonable user I’ve dealt with in my entire 8 years on VGC. I don’t think he’s stupid; I think he intentionally ignores everything and anything he wants in order to defend MS to the bitter end. I felt like I was taking crazy pills while trying to reason with him.