| scrapking said: You didn't respond to much of what I've been saying to you, for example my question as to what evidence do you have that vegans (many of which who do it for environmental and/or animal welfare concerns) are more health conscious than the average person. Do you have something to point to, or are you just assuming that? My experience doesn't jibe with your comment, but as far as I know neither of us has a metric to point to. I'm not sure what you meant "studies on the internet"? I imagine most research is available on the internet. Yes, huge amounts of research is now sponsored by vested interests. And as I pointed out, the bias in studies funded by those who would benefit one way or the other from the results is getting so brazen that health authorities around the world are increasingly ignoring all research that's funded by vested interests. That article you linked to links to a tonne of industry-funded research that uses some questionable methods. If public health authorities the world over are beginning to ignore such research, in favour of research funded by people who don't financially benefit from the results, then I see no reason not to join them. That's true whether it's funded by the evil dairy industry (your words, but fits for an industry with business practices such as it has), or funded by Pom Wonderful (that wants you to falsely believe that pomegranates are the second coming when it comes to health, when there are much healthier foods such as amla/indian gooseberries). I don't care if it's an egg marketing board, or an alliance of rice producers, bad science is bad science. The conclusion near the end of the article you link to is that 75% of your plate should be whole plant foods, and the remaining 25% should be protein rich foods. That's about as unscientific a conclusion as one can reach! The average person in a wealthy country eats 2-3 times more protein than is ideal for optimal human health. An overabundance of protein in the body doesn't raise blood levels of protein, nor does it build muscle faster. In fact it does the reverse: it ties up the internal organs trying (and failing) to absorb all this extra protein. This creates an anti-nutrient effect on the body. This effect typically lasts for about 6 hours, usually enough time to get you to your next protein-rich meal where the process starts all over again. How can the authors look at the science and come away with that recommendation? It makes no sense. It used to be most research was independent. It was done by public health authorities, or post-secondary institutions, or charitable foundations. These days, the majority of research is done either directly or indirectly by industry (or other vested interests). Directly is industry funding research, and a lot of that happens. Indirectly is a study being stacked with researchers who are on the payroll of a marketing board or other vested interest, so the researchers benefit from the result looking a certain way. I gave you several examples of how they can manipulate studies to get the results they want. Here's a good video summation on "set up to fail" studies like that: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-set-up-to-fail/ |
I don't have any evidence, except that everywhere I get confronted with whole foods diets, it's all about improving health. That's just my experience with encountering vegetarian and vegan diest. It get most of my info in the waiting room on my chiropractor that always has documentaries running on the bad meat industry and amazing improvements people make getting rid of all their medication by switching diest. Ofcourse they have a nutritionist on staff and sell the supplements etc right there...
Why should I trust government funded research any more? They're the ones that added fluoride to the water supply and taught me drink 4 glasses of milk a day in school. Actually going off milk fixed my lifelong eczema. My kids have a mild form of it now, they get milk at school. They won't drink soy or almond milk though :/ Soy milk doesn't seem that good anyway.
Anyway I don't really trust any research, it always comes with an agenda. I'm healthy now, as I said before, don't fix what's not broken.
Schools are the places to start change with healthy school lunches. Instead my kids get offered Boston pizza days, Subway, Pita pit as lunch options. (It's optional luckily) Yet there are no healthy options. Kinda sad.
