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CrazyGamer2017 said:
fory77 said:

It would be harder for a nationalist movement to exist if they didn't speak a different language. If all Catalans spoke Spanish and none Catalan this mess could've been avoided.

True. And I've discussed this elsewhere, not sure where, maybe earlier on this thread or some other thread.

The point is, yes languages and dialects are catalysts for division and nationalism and while in the far off past it made sense to attach a language to a people and a land, it is much more irrelevant nowadays. Languages should be used to communicate and not to identify (in my opinion)

If I needed to identify to the English language to speak English I would NOT speak English as it is not the language of my culture and past. The result being that I would isolate myself inside another language just out of pride for a land and that makes no sense in this modern age of communication, internet and globalization.

If the Catalans would understand that, they would speak Spanish and teach Spanish and not Catalan to their children. But the reality is that people have this "primitive" need to identify to a land and a culture, to the point they'd rather have their kids isolated than part of the world. And again, this worked in the past when there was a million different nations and everybody invaded everybody and killed everybody but not today.

And as you say this mess and a lot of other messes that are directly a consequence of nationalisms and local languages, could be avoided if people united in language.

But i don't think this ""primitive"" need to identify to a land and a culture will ever go away even in this modern age of communication, internet and globalization, unless it leads to some sort of utopia where most people are middle class, but i can't see so far into the future.