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OTBWY said:
Nymeria said:

We are in complete agreement.

The issue is those in power don't want that and have shown they will resist change even to their detriment.  Is it more viable to try and fight for reform within for years or build a third party? In both cases I'm sure we'd be blamed if Feinstein (or similar) ran against Trump in 2020 and lost.  

Building a third party would last more years than reform. More than 8 years at least. You would need to build a base through multiple campaign and elections. Very hard imo.

My thoughts as well, but at what point does reform feel like a dead end? If the current situation hasn't convinced them to change course how bad would things need to get to shake the rulers of the party to their core to concede power?  What chance does a reformer have against a Feinstein or Pelosi if they have all the political backing of the party?