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sundin13 said:
Superman4 said:

Please explain how raising the level of zero tax to 24K, doubling the standard deduction for both single and married while lowering the majority of americans tax bracket from 15% to 12% is raising taxes? Also increasing the child tax credit from 1K to 1600 and adding a $300 per person credit per adult dependant is raising taxes? This will lower taxes for all true middle class people, not the BS ones that have a million dollar home and say they are middle class.

Gladly:

1) Through deductions, most of the people making within the raised zero tax level were already paying nothing. This makes things easier but not really much cheaper.

2) While the standard deduction is increased, many itemized deductions have been eliminated which again leaves most people close to breaking even, or possibly paying more if they were in a situation which benefited from deductions (ie States with high income taxes, families with numerous children, people with high student loan interest, people with high medical bills, etc).

3) Similar to above, while the child tax credit is increased from 1k to 1.6k, they are cutting the dependent exemption of $4k. That means for middle and upper income families with multiple children, the extra $600 of credits may not cover the loss of $4000 of exemptions.

And for an analysis of where the savings go if you want to look past how things sound in theory and into how they work in practice, look to the Tax Policy Center's analysis of the Unified Framework plan:

As you can see, middle and low income individuals get around a 0.2% to 1% boost in after tax income on average (as previously stated, depending on specific situations certain individuals will be paying more) while those in the top 5% of income get about an 8-10% boost in after tax income. Virtually all of the direct benefit of this plan falls onto corporations and the very wealthy. 

Now, you might be thinking "well a cup of coffee is better than nothing", but you also have to consider the effects of decreased government revenue on different populations. Primarily the negative impacts of increased federal debt which is felt by everybody and in the long term could easily overtake any miniscule benefit these tax breaks have on the poor and middle class. Then there is how government outlays have to adapt to lowered revenue. As we have seen with the Republican budget, this typically involves cutting programs which disproportionately help the poor such as Medicare/Medicaid and the SNAP program, which will often leave lower income individuals having to pay more out of pocket, reducing their real spending power.

So here is how it affects me. AFter putting money into my HSA and 401K I will net right at about 60K. With my wifes business depending on deductions it will probably clear 20K or so. At the moment I dont itemize and take the standard deduction plus the child deduction. So that equates to 12K plus the personel exemption of 4K and 3K for my kids. So 19K in deductions. Under the new plan I get 24K off the top plus 1.6K per kid and 300 for my wife. So 29.1K in deductions. Even if I owned my home which I will this year, it will be under 500K, I do have student loans that I will start to pay but the interest on those wont be 12K a year. Add to this that my tax rate will go from 10%, 15% and 25%down to 12% and I will save even more. I am Middle class truely. Anyone who says they are middle class and lives in the city with a 4K a month rent payment or a 1 million dollar home is delusional. 

 

Here is the current tax structure for reference.

 

Table 1. Single Taxable Income Tax Brackets and Rates, 2017
RateTaxable Income BracketTax Owed

10%

$0 to $9,325 10% of Taxable Income

15%

$9,325 to $37,950 $932.50 plus 15% of the excess over $9325

25%

$37,950 to $91,900 $5,226.25 plus 25% of the excess over $37,950

28%

$91,900 to $191,650 $18,713.75 plus 28% of the excess over $91,900

33%

$191,650 to $416,700 $46,643.75 plus 33% of the excess over $191,650

35%

$416,700 to $418,400 $120,910.25 plus 35% of the excess over $416,700

39.60%

$418,400+ $121,505.25 plus 39.6% of the excess over $418,400
Table 2. Married Filing Joint Taxable Income Tax Brackets and Rates, 2017
RateTaxable Income BracketTax Owed

10%

$0 to $18,650 10% of taxable income

15%

$18,650 to $75,900 $1,865 plus 15% of the excess over $18,650

25%

$75,900 to $153,100 $10,452.50 plus 25% of the excess over $75,900

28%

$153,100 to $233,350 $29,752.50 plus 28% of the excess over $153,100

33%

$233,350 to $416,700 $52,222.50 plus 33% of the excess over $233,350

35%

$416,700 to $470,700 $112,728 plus 35% of the excess over $416,700

39.60%

$470,700+ $131,628 plus 39.6% of the excess over $470,700
Table 3. Head of Household Taxable Income Tax Brackets and Rates, 2017
RateTaxable Income BracketTax Owed

10%

$0 to $13,350 10% of taxable income

15%

$13,350 to $50,800 $1,335 plus 15% of the excess over $13,350

25%

$50,800 to $131,200 $6,952.50 plus 25% of the excess over $50,800

28%

$131,200 to $212,500 $27,052.50 plus 28% of the excess over $131,200

33%

$212,500 to $416,700 $49,816.50 plus 33% of the excess over $212,500

35%

$416,700 to $444,500 $117,202.50 plus 35% of the excess over $416,701

39.60%

$444,550+ $126,950 plus 39.6% of the excess over $444,550
Source: IRS.