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Goodnightmoon on 28 October 2017
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Nem said:
poklane said:

International recognition seems to be going well

Red = states not recognizing Catalonia is independent, instead recognizing it as part of Spain
Green = states recognizing Catalonia as independent

I heard Scotland and Venezuela recognised it. Guess it was a joke. :P

No one recognised Kosovo at the start either. It is stupid though. When it becomes a blood bath i'm blaming the EU countries for having been passive to it rather than protect the will of the people.

This is so stupid because so many countries began like this. This is the countries saying they hope Spain solves the problem peacefully. Once they don't there will be interventions.

Portugal, the Netherland and Belgium would still be a part of Spain if their constituion was what mattered. The hypocrisy is strong.

Errorist76 said:

You honestly believe Catalonia doesn't want to be part of the EU?! The only thing they want is not needing to help out the rest of the poorer country.

Oh didn't say anything of the sort. Wether they join the EU or not is irrelevant.

The EU is the power body of europe. A union based on democracy and freedom for europe. If this becomes a bloodbath, in the heart of europe, the EU is confirmed as a sham for letting it happen.

I'm in favor of the EU. I want it to work. But if the people in it's heart cannot count with it's protection, what good is it? It's not much of a union.

Like Spain, wich despite what castellans will tell you isn't a union. It's a collection of kingdoms conquered through intimidation and mariage. It's people never had a vote in the matter. Nowadays, this is catching up to them and the castellans, used to intimidating the others will never give it up. This will become a bloodbath. I am convinced of that. It's how they always did things.

 

And btw not wanting to sustain other countries/peoples is the right of the catalunyans. You can't force them to stay in a forced union they don't want to be a part of.  That isn't how true unions work. Just like the EU can't force the UK to stay, Spain shouldn't be able to force Catalunya to stay.

Errorist76 said:

They acted against the law and constitution. A large part of Catalonians doesn't even support the cause.

I don't support the draconian measures the spanish government is taking, they will only reach the opposite that way, but it is not that easy to just grant a part of Catalans a "fake" independence that has been reached on an unofficial way. Both parties act highly unreasonably in the cause.

You're gonna have to give proof to that cause we all saw rivers of people on the streets of Barcelona. The spanish central government made sure they couldn't realise a referendum either. Actually, given the vote won in their parlament, it is very legitimate of the will of the majority.

Theres intimidation, wich is the way spain always worked and will always lead to trouble. Spain is not a union, and more will suceed after catalunya does. This day and age it's not what an old king wanted, it's what the people want.

And btw the spanish constitution doesn't give them a chance to have a referendum. They honestly had no choice here when the central government tried to force them out. They have even already threatened the guy that proclaimed independence with 30 years of prison and treason. Sure, that's gonna end in a peaceful result.

And btw, if this was only about paying bills, they would'nt be nuking their economy like this. At the end of the day this will cost Spain more. So, might aswell let them go.

You are so painfully missinformed and out of reality that is not even fun, don't even know where to beggin.