Catalonia declares independence. Puigdemont free to roam Belgium.

[Tryklon]

vivster said:

Tryklon said:

The problem is that they are a very old nation, annexed to Spain, who had to endure some of the most shameful treatment ever given to a people, namely a prohibition of even speaking their language. They are tired of Madrid's bulls**t and lack of respect, and are tired of being bossed around by a government they don't see as their own, and a king which they heartily despise.

 

I can't honestly understand what is the problem about a people choosing to self determine their future...

Small micro countries are a problem. They want all the independence but cannot sustain themselves alone, so the first thing they're gonna do after independence is running around and asking bigger countries for aid. That's why bigger countries exist. Seperate country means separate government, rules, issues etc. That means more resources are eaten away for silly burocracy and issues that could be more effectively tackled in a bigger national context.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too just because you don't like your government. The world is better off with as few countries as possible.

There are of course some exceptions where people are actually oppressed and abused by a fascist government. Catalonia is not such a case.

Those people are not deciding "their own future". They're deciding the future of a whole strip of land that not only affects all people living there but everyone else who is dependent on that land as well. If they were deciding their own future they would just move away.

And who are you, or me, to decide what is the minimum size acceptable for a people to determine their own future?

 

And believe me, Catalunya can definately sustain themselves, thats the main reason Spain cannot afford to lose them, their GDP would freefall...

 

Like I said before, my country went through the same process and on the 1st of December 1640 we managed to get rid of the Spanish king once and for all, after 60 years of stealing, and leeching our country and our colonies. Since 1910 we are a Republic and I'm very proud of that!

I'm ashamed by the support my country is giving to Spain. The lack of backbone makes me sick!