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WOW...man...*sigh* (how can I sound ecstatic without sounding like a fanboy..hmm..) MGS4 IS AWESOME.... My God. I'd still be playing if I didnt have to go to school for a lil bit...damn. Man, honestly, if GTA IV got all these rave reviews and avg like 95, MGS4 deserves atleast a 97, its THAT much better than GTA IV and yes I do know they are different genres and do things differently, etc etc, but the one thing that ALL game's share is fun factor. The fun factor of MGS4 so far (played about 3 hrs maybe less) is much higher than GTA Iv. Darth, I completely understand what u meant when u said that the difference is shocking, because in all honesty, it is....Dare I say it, MGS4 better than MGS1??!?