Vinther1991 said:
That is absolutely not true, there are no people I don't care about. It is you who constantly bring up the number 150, as if because they are few, they are not worth caring about. I legetimately think that a burqa ban can help some of these women integrate better into society, especially if other laws can help them get out of their ghetto and interact more with the native society.
1)So any law that is forcing muslim women to get out and interact with society is automatically headscratching to you? Is it headscratching to require that people attend meetings at for instance the city hall to get unemployment benefits. Is it nonsensical to require that they take a language class to keep their residence permit? There are a lot of reasonable ways to basicly drag them out of their houses and ghettos, against their husbands will if necessary. But it seems that for you and a lot of other people on the left wing, it is so so terrible to require anything of the people who choose to migrate to our countries. 2)We are dealing with problems of the parallel-society we have created, muslims are overrepresented in crime statistics, a lot more muslims have negative views on jews and homosexuals compared to the native people, and a lot more muslims treat women as inferior. Turkish immigrants are supporting Erdogan in abundance. The list of problems is massive, and a lot of it can be traced to the fact that we haven't made it absolutely clear that you have to adapt to western values when you move here. Either you are blind to all those problems, or you lack the balls to come up with some solution for them, and instead you trash the people who do look for a solution and find one that is admittably flawed, could be it won't help as intended, but is definitely worth trying out, since we don't have any better. And yes sure, we do put a restriction on a human right that says people are allowed to wear whatever they want, but nobody are getting their lives destroyed because they aren't allowed to wear a burqa. Sometimes you need to create a minor problem to deal with a bigger one. And I think that a burqa ban doesn't only affect the 150 who wear a burqa, but it also sends a clear signal that we are against the mentality that women are not allowed to show any of their body to other men than their husbands, which could keep some of those muslims, who are nearly impossible to integrate, out of our countries. |
1) It is headscratching for so many reasons, you literally have isis police officers who demand women to wear a burqa and then you have white christians who demand women can't wear a burga. It is like a joke for the muslim community 'the muslim community is to hard for their women and don't give them freedom let's show them what's freedom by giving up the choice of what women may wear'...It is also headscratching because it ends up hurting more people than those 150*. Let's face it, even if those 150 women lived alone, choose to wear a burqa, were working and were benefitting the society financially...the burqa ban still will exist because they fear the freedom that women may choose to wear a burqa. The boys/teen males and some old idiots are basically creating the problems, a man who's wife can't wear a burqa will send her to a country where she can wear one and he stays here.
2) That's also because people like to blow the numbers up I used the example of my city and a city like brussels before. If you go into the rich neighbourhood Non muslims/Muslims teens have both a low percentage of coming into contact with the police or going to jail. While if you go to a poor neighbourhood in Brussels the White/Non muslims/Muslims etc have a way higher percentage of coming into contact with police/unemployment/going to jail. Considering most newcomers are coming from poor countries and are muslim it should not have been a surprise that they overrepresent the jail numbers. I just wish people would try to make poverty go extinct instead of always repeating the jail numbers. It is like saying 'White Male Christians CEO's in Hollywood overpresent the numbers of Sexual abusers compared to the Muslims CEO's' so Christianity is a problem and Male christians only want to rape women ;(.
The Jew hate has more to do with Israel and Palestina and it should also not be a surprise that when Israel does something the hate against jews spurs up. Just the same like after Pearl Harbor asian buddhists in USA were beaten up more frequently and even temples were burned down by Christians did not matter if they were Chinese/Korean/Thai etc;
The hate against Homosexuals is sad but surprisingly it was only 30 years ago when their were almost no muslims in Western societies that Homosexuals were beating up more frequently and were not allowed to marry. Anyway religious people always have a harder time to accept homosexuals but it is evolving in a good direction (as in more acceptance)
Accepting Western Values is always complicated because we have so many countries in Europe that basically have no muslims but where homosexuals almost have no rights or don't have the right to marry and so many other differences.
