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| RolStoppable said: I think you keep injecting other countries into this discussion or talk in a much broader sense when this thread is only about Austria and the Austrian burqa ban. We are talking about a country where a far-right party has had a consistently strong presence for decades, so when it comes to problems because of intolerance, it's not immigrants that Austrians have to worry about. We already have enough of our own people be such a problem. What you keep missing about the Austrian burqa ban is that it doesn't only affect an estimated 150 muslim women who wear burqas, but also thousands of Austrians if the law is enforced as it is written. The main reason why I am against this law is not because I am left wing (I am not), it's because the law comes with utterly stupid consequences for Austrians and only exists to pander to simpletons who are scared that Islam could take over, so the primary goal of the law is that these simpletons don't become voters for the FPÖ. It's paranoia to believe that we need laws to keep out ultra-conservative muslims or otherwise our whole society will be screwed eventually. Ultra-conservatives don't come here by choice to begin with, because they view our society as one of sinners. The only reason why such people move here is because they are out of choices. They wouldn't leave their home countries if there was no war. Once you understand the reason why ultra-conservatives move to Europe, you should also realize that a burqa ban isn't going to stop them. A burqa ban is a far lesser nuisance than what they face elsewhere and it only affects their women anyway, and women are second class and have no say in the matter to begin with. |
But you would still have a problem with a burqa ban if it only did affect the 150 muslims, wouldn't you? Personally I would prefer that, but I get why they didn't do it that way, since they would have gotten in trouble with EU and UN if they did. The way they decided to do it might seem a little silly, but frankly, not being allowed to wear a shark costume is an insignificant prize to pay. They could probably enhance the law by allowing professional use of masking.
If you, by ultra-conservative muslims, mean muslims that defend stoning as a punishment for infidelity and such, then sure, it isn't a lot of those who would move to Austria (though those who come tend to become imams to poison the muslim public opion), but I mean it's not only the few ultra-conservative there is the problem. I think it's bad enough with the muslims that think homosexuality should be illegal, don't you agree? Well in the UK (sorry for bringing in another country, can't find any statistics on Austria), litterally the majority of muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, let that sink in. 52% to be exact:
Only 18% answered that it should be legal. Also 23% want sharia law. Isn't that also Islamic extremism to you?
To be fair the UK has been notoriously horrendous with dealing with their parallel-society, the numbers are probably better in Austria, for comparison in Denmark it's 25 % of the muslims that think homosexuality should be illegal, which is still roughly a factor 10 more than the general population.
If we say the Austrian numbers are similar to the Danish ones, which probably isn't far off, then couple that with the fast increase in muslim population over the past 25 years or so, where it has become about 4 times as big (to about 8 percent in Austria), then it is not difficult to see why a lot of people fear an islamification of their country, and how can you deal with that? Allow less to come in and write laws that forces them to drop their conservative religious ideas. It is not true that they only come here because of war; Islamic State didn't chase them all the way up through Europe, they come because of the combination of a war in their country and because they want to flee to a country where they can get the best social benefits. They could easily settle down in Jordan or Lebanon for instance, where they could live by islamic culture, but they decide to go to europe instead, because of money and social benefits.
