potato_hamster said:
the-pi-guy said:
A.) The current Nazi's might not be doing immense amount of crimes. That doesn't mean they are peaceful, and that doesn't mean they have the right to be Nazi's. They are glorifying a group of people that killed more than 6 million people due to their ethnicity.
B.) A lot of conservatives claim ANTIFA to be bad and violent, even though most of them aren't much more violent than a football game. Statistically more violent, but it's comparing a football game to a protest. Protests are more likely to get rowdy.
C.) I'm not saying that people who are part of ANTIFA haven't done bad things, but that it is exaggerated most of the time.
D.) My point is not that Nazi's are violent and ANTIFA isn't. So I didn't raise that point that you claim I did in the bolded.
E.) The Nazi's today aren't disliked because they are being violent. They are disliked because of what they believe. Conservatives have similar feelings about communists.
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A) Of course they have a right to be Nazis. This isn't Orwell's 1984. You cannot police thoughts. Hating other people isn't a crime, but assaulting them is.
B) Football games can be very violent. Besides just because something is more or similarly violent something else doesn't mean the violence is justified or tolerable.
C) Exaggerated how? Check out that guy that was busting people's heads open with a bike lock (and promptly arrested and charged for it). Check out everything that is Yvonne Falarca. She has some pretty dangerous thoughts too. But I guess her dangerous thoughts are okay because she assaults people she disagrees with whether they're nazis or not, right? Many of the Antifa/BAMN members that have been unmasked and their ideas exposed have turned out to be pretty horrible people.
D) My point was I am against both Nazis and Antifa, they're both deplorable groups for different reasons.
E) There seems to a very common connection between many members of ANTIFA - many of the appear to also be very Communist. So why should we also not dislike ANTIFA for what they believe?
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Actually, ANTIFA is more violent than fans at football games in terms of per capita. Go back a few pages where I already showed pi-guy the math and for some reason, he has opted not to challenge those numbers.
