| Errorist76 said: So you’re actually admitting you’re just self-centred, wasteful and ignorant. Not only you personally, but the way your whole country is acting atm. Thank you, that’s exactly the point I was trying to make, actually it’s exactly been the whole point of that thread! F’in disgusting behaviour in all honesty. ”Humans will adapt, nothing lasts forever” Yeah, “it doesn’t matter if deserts grow bigger and bigger in Africa...as long as the people fleeing to Europe, not the states. We’re not taking people anyway, just causing havoc on the whole planet cause that’s what we do, That’s what we know best!” Seriously, I’m a rather peaceful person usually but if I ever meat you in person remind me to give you a fat-slap! |
So much anger emanating from you, LOL ... (keep getting irritated then)
And how can you be certain that we're the ones causing damage ? (The fact that you harbour so much ill intent for a random poster on the internet means that you were never peaceful, how can you claim yourself so if you're never open minded ?)
| SpokenTruth said: What the? This is even worse. Your natural Earth death event will happen a billion years from now and you're claiming we won't invent interstellar travel before then unless we keep using coal. A coal fired rocket won't even reach escape velocity. Hell, we'll run out of coal long before we can travel to any star. And we'll have destroyed our planet in the process. I'm just amazed that you think we cannot develop intersellar travel without using coal and that we shouldn't care because Earth wil die in a billion years anyway. Do you not realize that in a billion years we would not een be the same species of animal were are today? |
I'm just saying that coal should be our stepping stone and it has been for a long time. It is thanks to industrialization that our quality of life dramatically elevated because of our usage of fossil fuels ...
I'm not purposing that we use coal to develop interstellar technologies (that's just preposterous of course) but are you proposing that we stunt the growth of poorer countries by putting limits one of the most easily accessible resources ? (You should at the very least have mercy on the poorer nations who can't possibly afford the infrastructure of renewable and battery technologies, no ?)
I'm just saying we should use whatever tools necessary for the development of humanity and that we should have no limits barred on that ...
I don't deny the very possibility we could develop interstellar travel without coal but how can you be so certain that we'll ruin our planet in the process before the sun does ? What's more is are you OK with making the human race poorer by forcing them to transition to the usage of renewable energy ?
I don't understand why people are so bent up about fossil fuels vs renewables when I simply see both as nothing more than tools to be expended ... (you and the others should not deny the benefits of fossil fuels while ignoring drawbacks of renewable sources, that's just academically dishonest in an intellectual discussion)
| Machiavellian said: This doesn't prolong any jobs since they are going away with automation just like other industries have gone that way as well. This is only perserving invested money to people in power willing to go for the buck and forget anything else. If you are so concerning about all this vulnerable communities and social mobility, why are you not avocating the Coal industry implement more clean coal solutions to combat its dangerous effect on those same people lives. I believe the reason why is that you pretty much do not care as long as it doesn't effect you. As for empthy for coal miners, I definitely have that. My solution is the one already said in this thread. Put money in retraining them into the green tech which is gaining a lot of traction and probably will be the path forward. Why put money and effort into the coal industry for those miners when their jobs are already getting replaced by automation. Train them to do something else and I am sure the nation would be more acceptable to that. |
Funnily enough it's the manufacturing and service sector that is most threatened by automation, not so much for resource extraction since automation is more underdeveloped in that sector. Miners are still going to persist for at least another decade or so before a reliable replacement comes in ...
As far as mining investors making a buck that hasn't been true recently since they've been running thinner and thinner margins several years back to back. The ones making a buck are the actual larbourers themselves so the ones struggling are the brass ...
Implementing more clean coal at a time where the coal industry is struggling to be profitable ? The industry already has to comply with EPA standards for mercury emissions ... (What more do you want ?)
Miners aren't getting replaced by automation yet and the only renewable source of energy that could realistically meet american consumption is wind energy but that's still a big stretch ... (tapped out on hydro power and solar power has poor value/low output)
We're going to have to increase our imports of natural gas and ramp up nuclear energy ... (I doubt we'll be able to train the vast majority of miners into operating nuclear power plants)
