We need to stop NRA (nonsensical rifle addiction)

[DonFerrari]

Cobretti2 said:

DonFerrari said:

Except the law abbiding citizen doesn't go with his gun on a gfz but someone planning a mass shooting go. And considering the size of USA and that it can't prevent drugs to enter its territory that is massive then a gun restriction would mean only criminals with gun.

For a no gun law to be acceptable you would need to be perfectly sure NO ONE would get a gun (perhaps except training gun for shooting ranges, with non-lethal ammo). If you can't reach that you shall not prohibit legal owners to have it as well.

But all mass shootings started with a law abbiding citizen. At some point in time somehting snaped in them which made them do it. Look at the last shooting the guy was rich and really not someone you would profile as someone who would kill.

Australia is almost the size of USA (minus Alaska) and if anything our borders would be much easier to smuggle drugs and guns in as we can't patrol all the coastline at every point in time.

The difference is most our society don't give a shit about owning guns to protect ourselves. The criminals who have illegal guns generally go shoot other criminals.  We have a ban on automatics and semi automatics and tough regulations around ownership and the need to pay fees since the last shooting massacre in 1996 (excluding family murder suicides since then). Only gun enthusists and farmers really bother owning guns these days, The rest of society doesn't need them and we never feel that our life is in danger when we walk out on the street at any given point in time.

Eerrrr I would have to check the statistics in USA, but in Brazil all guns used in mass shooting and crimes were illegaly obtained and can't be traced. Probably the legal guns/law abidden citizen that go for a mass shooting is guys that want to kill themselves after. I would guess most of those cases if the family really were looking at the person it would be avoided.

Men I had no Idea Australia was that big, I always assumed small country (population isn't very high, right?). And I would guess land borders are worse to patrol than water, radar and others prevent most boats to come unnoticed, but on land anyone can come walking, throwing stuff over distance or making short illegal flights. But I'm no specialist on this, from Brazil what I recall is that we have much worse situation over our land borders than our sea.

Well man, that is the point if you can really be safe and sure that you won't be shot by a criminal in the street most people won't worry about having them (unless it's the culture on the place like USA and Switzerland) and that makes a big difference.

Each country have a different reality.