We need to stop NRA (nonsensical rifle addiction)

[vivster]

VGPolyglot said:

vivster said:

There will never be a world without governments. Governments will form naturally in every single society because people need order. Everyone talks about freedom but nobody would actually be able to take absolute freedom. Soon enough people will band together and look up to people with power to protect them from sociopaths that now have complete freedom.

And how would a stateless socialist world even work? The vast majority of people will not want to share their goods. So how do you enforce socialism without a higher power forcing it?

Governments aren't an artificial product. They are the natural order of things that can be seen even in the animal kingdom. Every society without a hirarchy will soon develop a new one, even if they've just overthrown the last. Who do you think will have the most power after your great revolution? Exactly the people who are the most power hungry and who will have amassed the most wealth and firepower during that revolution. What a happy new world will it be to be ruled by completely new power hungry monarchs that are ready to kill every dissenter. Because without order, there are no laws. Which means the powerful will rule. With violence. Yes, that's so much better than today where the vast majority of governments strive to build peace between all nations.

That's why I said stateless, not government-less. There'd obviously be a form of government, just done differently than it is now, in a horizontal configuration, rather than top-down. And what do you mean by share their goods? Personal property would still exist. And if the vast majority of governments strove to build peace, why is there so much war-mongering?

How many countries of the 200 are war mongering? A small handful. And how many of those countries are reprimanded for it? Every single one. Nobody wants war except for a few countries with terrible leaders.

How can a government be horizontal? You mean like it is now where basically all governments of all countries are on the same level without anyone above it? You will always have leaders of municipalities. Why would you think war would stop? Especially when it is your desire to pump every country full of military grade weaponry?

As long as there are humans and especially as long as there are weapons made for attacking and killing people, there will be war, suffering and violence. Humans are by nature chaotic and selfish. It baffles my mind that you have more trust in random people who only look out for themselves than people who actually swore to protect other people.