We need to stop NRA (nonsensical rifle addiction)

[DonFerrari]

Qwark said:

DonFerrari said:
Considering in Brazil almost everyone is prohibited to own guns but all criminals have it, some even anti-tank, RPGs and etc... and that is extremely easy to buy guns (illegally)... the talk about only selling to people that are mentally health doesn't hold much, those guys would simply buy illegal if necessary...
People that buy illegal are the most likely to commit crimes anyway.

Well that's an entirely different problem. I think you will have a hard time buying an RPG in most Western European countries or an anti tank rifle. Hell I would not even know where to get a simple pistole. But I agree that if illegal guns are very easy to get gun restrictions are not much more than a piece of decorative paper. 

Although I still do think the US should have accepted Obama''s gun acts to at least forbid weapons which are intended for war and slaughter instead of self defence. Especially in rural areas with puma's, beers and wolf's I could get behind the reasoning that you want to own a gun.

Gun dealers are all over...

You know that most illegal gun in Brazil is from USA procedence right? (Our sole big manufacturer is very bad so only our police uses their gun). So if Brazil not producing RPG locally we have a lot of drug lords with those guns in here and drug is sold even in Europe you can be sure if drug lords over there wanted RPG they would buy them. They probably don't buy because the fight for power and defense against the state over there isn't on the same level as here since there is no regular criminal using RPGs to assault you.

The only reason you have to give the state to having a gun is "I want it".

A registered gun is very seldomly used on criminal ways (unless robbed), while illegal is all the time, and where do those guys get those guns?

The only country I know that really have about 0 illegal or legal guns is Japan because of a very tight control over everything, being insular, too crowded, etc. In a country as big as USA that kind of control is impratical, in Brazil even more.

So the guy can buy an illegal weapon and use for crime against a defenseless citizen or the citizen may have their gun and criminals be less prone to rob them.

And in the case of the shootouts in USA, most are in gun free zones (some say 98%)

Ka-pi96 said:

Qwark said:

Well that's an entirely different problem. I think you will have a hard time buying an RPG in most Western European countries or an anti tank rifle. Hell I would not even know where to get a simple pistole. But I agree that if illegal guns are very easy to get gun restrictions are not much more than a piece of decorative paper. 

Although I still do think the US should have accepted Obama''s gun acts to at least forbid weapons which are intended for war and slaughter instead of self defence. Especially in rural areas with puma's, beers and wolf's I could get behind the reasoning that you want to own a gun.

Yeah, seriously hard time! It's not hard to make it difficult to buy guns illegally. It's already incredibly difficult in most of the developed world.

And how is that not hard??? Have illegal guns become 0 in other countries besides Japan? Drugs as well?