What is a political issue that you want to understand the opposite viewpoint more?

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JWeinCom said:

OhNoYouDont said:

All propositions are binary so actually yes it is black and white. See: Law of the excluded middle.

I'd like to understand the pro life position better in a way that isn't contingent upon a particular religion. It seems an important issue to raise in a secular manner; this isn't Jerusalem. 

That's not how the law of the excluded middle works.  The law of the excluded midddle simply states that something can not be A and not A simultaneously.   If I have an object in my hand it is either a potato or not potato.  It can't be both, but that doesn't mean that those are the only ways that the object can be described.  The object can be described as not potato, not carrot, not duck, sock, cotton, etc.  

In the case of a proposition the proposition can be right or not right.  But, that doesn't mean there's not a gray area.  Because a proposition can be both not right and not wrong.  And that is a pretty gray area.  

Not sure why you picked Jerusalem as an example (Israel is a pretty secular state actually), but the prolife secular argument is pretty simple.  The baby is a living human, and therefore should not be killed.  I don't necessarily agree with that, but it's pretty straight forward.

If you're interested, there is a secular debate that was done on the issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P78_V1Z9CO4  I don't think the prolife speaker is especially good, but those are basically the arguments used.

Nope, that's the law of noncontradiction. 

Because a proposition can be both not right and not wrong.

To say that a proposition is not right is equivalent to stating that the proposition is wrong. I think you see the issue with your statement here now.

I wish people would stop incorrecting me. 

Equivocation fallacy in regard to treating a fetus and a baby as the same entity as there are both biological and classical distinctions between such entities so if that's the secular argument I see why no one takes it seriously.

As to the subversive act of treating Jerusalem and Israel as the same entity, see above as well.

Ka-pi96 said:

OhNoYouDont said:

All propositions are binary so actually yes it is black and white. See: Law of the excluded middle.

 

I'd like to understand the pro life position better in a way that isn't contingent upon a particular religion. It seems an important issue to raise in a secular manner; this isn't Jerusalem. 

I'm an athiest so feel free to read my anti-abortion posts above

How do you define person?

In my understanding of what it means to be a person (at least a human person), it requires a few things that fetuses lack.

1. Sentience

The entire body of scientific literature I've come across has concluded that self-awareness is something which arises post-birth.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/

2. Human DNA

Of course a fetus satisfies this criteria

3. The ability to act of one's own volition

A fetus has no control over its own bodily functions. Even newborns fail this requirement to be honest.

Additional thoughts:

From peering over your other comments, it seems as though you view fetuses and babies as the same. This is a false equivocation as stated in my other comment. Let's consider the morning after pill example cited. Well, plan B merely inhibits pregnancy to prevent fertilization from occurring so this ought to be no issue for you. The other option is the abortion pill and I presume that is the one you really intended to consider. 

What is a fertilized egg exactly? What are its functions? What does it look like?