Ka-pi96 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
So where should it stop?
That's one of the worst arguments trends that i've heard a lot recently. It's the same argument that conservatives use to stigmatize gay marriage, it's the same argument that people use for gun control laws, etc etc.
"Where should it stop" is just a version of the "you give them an inch they take a mile" mentality, which while useful in many debates, the former just feels like a stigmatization of such argument. It's always important to ask the question "If I support this nuanced position, will the people supporting such position take it to an extremity?" I get that. But at some point it becomes questionable whether such doubts are taken to the point of lunacy.
To be clear i'm not employing guilt by association, i.e. saying that because other people have used it for ridiculous arguments it makes your argument ridiculous. I'm also not lumping in all conservatives together. But, I do think it's important to take into account how many times that mentality has been used recently to justify slippery slopes and arguments not based on solid foundation.
No, nobody is going to support post-birth abortion just because they believe in opportunities for pre-birth abortion. There are too many variables that make the two scenarios different, and honestly Ka-pi, I know you're intelligent enough to get the huge difference between the two scenarios. So I honestly don't know why you're lumping them together.
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Yes, there are differences. But fundamentally they both result in someone's life being taken away. That's the thing, from my point of view you're essentially arguing that it should be ok to kill someone. That's not a viewpoint I'll ever understand.
That said, I should mention that while I am ethically and morally against abortion I'm not legally against it. To me whether abortion should be legal or not is a separate argument from whether it's ok or not. One with different reasons, primarily that abortion would be all but impossible to actually stop and legal ones are almost certainly better for both mother and baby than illegal ones.
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That's not what anyone's saying. Mostly they are debating that it is someone.
When does something become someone? A sperm is something. An egg is something. When they combine are they instantly someone? Is the zygote someone? Is two cells someone? Four cells? Are my organs someone? They're more complex than a fetus at their earliest stages.
Personally, until it has a functional brain, I would still use the term something. There's no real concensus (it's as much as a philosophical as scientific question) so the mother is the best person to decide.
