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AngryLittleAlchemist on 08 October 2017
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Ka-pi96 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Even that can fail, and some people might not have taken it if they already wore protection.

Because Babies can't decide shit, they are babies. This may be an "unpopular" opinion but honestly if I had a girlfriend(LOLOLOL) and she didn't want to have a kid i would only care about her opinion and not the outcome of some baby. Because she is someone that already exists in this world, whether or not you believe babies have souls, she is the soul that I could percieve at that time. 

Besides, your point is futile. Because fetus's IN GENERAL are not created by choice. As much as you could easily say "shouldn't the babies decide if they live or die?" you could also say "shouldn't the babies decide if the mother gets pregnant in the first place?" It doesn't make anly sense because in either scenario the baby can't make a decision. And if you believe that souls are born at the moment of conception, then logically the 2nd question would make as much sense as the first. 

And what if later in life the baby grows up and they want to commit suicide? Do you know how hard it is to go through with that, the responsibility you leave behind? There is no choice in life or death, at least not on a domestic level. That's the entire problem.

I don't think that's a particularly unpopular opinion but anyways...

So where should it stop? If pre-birth abortions are ok why not post-birth? The child still never had a choice to be conceived/born in the first place. The child is still (almost) totally dependent on their parents.

And if when that baby grows up and is old enough to make important decisions themselves and decides they'd rather not be alive, well that's easily solvable, stop stigmatising suicide and it won't be such an issue.

So where should it stop?

That's one of the worst arguments trends that i've heard a lot recently. It's the same argument that conservatives use to stigmatize gay marriage, it's the same argument that people use for gun control laws, etc etc.

"Where should it stop" is just a version of the "you give them an inch they take a mile" mentality, which while useful in many debates, the former just feels like a stigmatization of such argument. It's always important to ask the question "If I support this nuanced position, will the people supporting such position take it to an extremity?" I get that. But at some point it becomes questionable whether such doubts are taken to the point of lunacy. 

To be clear i'm not employing guilt by association, i.e. saying that because other people have used it for ridiculous arguments it makes your argument ridiculous. I'm also not lumping in all conservatives together. But, I do think it's important to take into account how many times that mentality has been used recently to justify slippery slopes and arguments not based on solid foundation. 

No, nobody is going to support post-birth abortion just because they believe in opportunities for pre-birth abortion. There are too many variables that make the two scenarios different, and honestly Ka-pi, I know you're intelligent enough to get the huge difference between the two scenarios. So I honestly don't know why you're lumping them together.