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Machiavellian said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Actually yes, amazingly, there ARE people here who believe Sony doesn't have to do anything to get these deals and that publishers come to Sony in their knees begging for these deals to make their games exclusive to Sony's platforms. Back when the whole MS Tomb Raider deal was still rubbing people here raw, when presented with press releases and news about how Sony had moneyhatted that exact same franchise before, I was actually told that due to Sony's position in the industry they probably didn't even have to pay for that deal, or even seek it out, and that Eidos or whoever was in charge of TR back then actually probably came to Sony begging for a deal and Sony helped them out. You have quite an uphill battle here trying to cut through the double standards to actually have a discussion.

One thing you have to give Sony credit for, when they pay for exclusives, they make sure it never sees the light of day on another console.  MS only seems to be interested in timed exclusives.

Yeah, that's the reason PlayStation saw games like Titanfall, Rise, Sunset Overdrive, Cuphead and Dead Rising 3. Oh wait, they didn't, and never will. Microsoft has a harder time getting full exclusives from third parties because they no longer have the leverage. That's what this is all about. THEY'RE the ones actually having to buy things at this point, because they don't have a market advantage. And that's okay, they have to, it's business. They have a right to do that, just like consumers have a right to be angry about it when it happens. 

Even Microsoft's Phil Spencer himself said these things tend to happen organically. It's not always just a big bag of money. Publishers determine doing business with a platform holder by their track record and current trajectory of sales. If they take a chance and get burned, or see the opposing console excelling, then they gravitate toward the winner. No one is owed loyalty in this industry. You have to go where your sales are best.

People just tend to find Phil Spencer getting fussy about it ridiculous, since a) they've been doing it for years, b) that's his damn job. Don't bellyache to us about it, we can't relate. We're the people buying the games. When you're the platform that's fallen way behind, you're going to take heat for it, period. If the tables were turned this gen, you wouldn't hear things like this come from MS. They've had to change up SO much of their business model this gen because of Sony, and it makes the Xbox execs tend to get more candid about their frustrations than we care to hear about.