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Volterra_90 on 03 October 2017
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Wright said:
Volterra_90 said:

Tbh, though I support the referendum, this must be done in a normal way. Those were far from the ideal conditions to vote, so the numbers mustn't be taken seriously. It's a fact that there're a huge percentage of the catalonian people who is independent, but I doubt the validity of the results. 

I don't support the independence, but I too agree that a referendum should be done in a normal way. I wouldn't oppose the results that way, regardless of what the people choose.

Yeah, I'd love that everyone would agree on that, supporting the independence or not. Those are my thoughts about the issue too. Everyone should vote if they agree or not, because this is a real issue, and the people must decide. I'd accept the decision that came out as a result, I still believe that in democracy the people should have the power to decide, so I couldn't possible opose to a result that isn't my own opinion. 

Goodnightmoon said:
Wright said:

I don't support the independence, but I too agree that a referendum should be done in a normal way. I wouldn't oppose the results that way, regardless of what the people choose.

Agree, I strongly disagree with catalan independentism but I wouldn't be against a legal referendum at all as long as there is campaign for the YES but also for the NO, because this time there was only campaign for one side without showing the real pros and cons of the independence.

Yeah, we can't fool themselves, the catalan government didn't have any clue on what to do after the referendum. They basically appeal to the people's feelings, but it was not a rational way of proposing things. And, while I believe in the self-determination of every culture in the world (if people agree to that, of course), this referendum was a joke. In almost every sense. This referendum was made to cover up all the shit that the catalan government has. Because PdCat is basically the catalan PP. Or worse. I think that, even if I agree with the people's feelings about self-determination, this should be done in a radical different way. 

By the way, the King's speech was an exercise of irresponsibility. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Well, I actually could, he's that good. He basically left out of the speech any responsibilities of the Spanish government, which is fucking insane, and he put all the blame basically on Catalonia. What the hell, man. I want too chose who represents me, this guy is just dumb.

About the education in Spain. Yes, it's shit, I think a large majority of students even agree of that. We don't debate practically anything, it's just a really memoristic approach. Just study what I told you to do and be quiet about it. I mean, generally speaking, I had the pleasure of having some teacher who really tried different. But generally speaking I was bored to tears in school and college.