Why is there no thread about Spain reverting to fascism?

[palou]

Ka-pi96 said:

palou said:

A fundemental part of democracy is that we do not circumvent the democraticly elected instituitions that we are part of. If the institutions decide that you aren't allowed to make fireworks during the dry months, you respect that, even if you dislike it - and voice your opinion in the next elections. If they tell you that there is to be no independance referendum, you respect that, and voice your opinion in the next legitimate elections. Vote for a candidate that supports the referendum to be held. 

So you're saying a fundamental part of democracy is that it's ok to oppress minorities?

The Catalan people are a minority in Spain. Any candidate that backs their independence is likely to lose support of everyone else and that minority wouldn't be enough to get them elected so their only option is to do it through the local Catalan government, which as far as I know is exactly who started the referendum in the first place.

If a proposition is in opposition to the will of the majority (the people), it does not pass. Yep, that's how democracy works. In the case that there would be only a single issue at discussion, that would create some bad situations, were the importance of each issue isn't evaluated. However, in practice, there are numerous issues all important to the populace that can be discussed. Compromises can be made. If not complete independance, Catalan-elected members of parliament could probably negotiate more self-determination.

 

There is no system of governance that allows everyone to get everything they want. Accepting that, and working with the system to obtain a compromise closer to what you want while respecting the objectives if others, IS democracy.

 

The spanish constituition allowed the federal court to block the referendum, on basis of an undivisible union. And you know what? The proposed catalonian constituition has the same clause. So they clearly do not disagree that such a clause can be a part of a democratic nation.