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Nymeria said:
Moac said:
I do support an Independent Catalonia but I also understand the desire of Spain to keep a very profitable part of the country.
How would France react if a Brittany declared that they want to secede?

From the Spanish point of view, Catalonia has never really been Independent and has been part of Spain for longer than the USA has existed. Would the USA allow Texas to secede or California?

I am a Croatian and I understand the desire of a people to want to be lords of their own house. However, unlike in the case of Yugoslavia, Spain is actually a country with a large majority considering themselves Spanish. Yugoslavia was never really a unified country but rather a collection of different people and religions that were forced to share a house.

I don´t consider what Spain is doing Fascist but rather an attempt to maintain national unity, no other sovereign nation would act differently.

No. No state can secede from the union.  Bunch tried it once, massive Civil War broke out.  We have sent mixed signals to other countries in regards to this issue though.

Exacly , thats my point. No soverign nation would accept the secesion of any part of its country if they can avoid it - even if war is the price to pay. Using double standards is not very productive and is very unfair, like when the USA or European countries play with the idea of an Independent Tibet despite Tibet being part of China since the Yuan Dynasty (longer than the USA existed).  The saying "Whats good for the goose is good for the gander" comes to mind, why would Spain accept the secession when such an act would cause a Civil War in the USA or in suppression that far exceeds that of the Spanish on the Catalan region. 

The best solution to this problem is not calling the opposition Fascist, totalitarian or human-rights breakers. The solution is diplomatic and there should be discussions on regional autonomy.  If tomorrow Texas held a referendum and the populace declared a win for Independence I highly dought that the USA would accept the referendum. The same double standard is practiced by Russia as well, Russia invades Ukraine and steals land based on regional desires of Russian speakers in Ukraine but they would crack down on any Region in Russia that wanted to secede like the people in Chechnya.

I hope there is a peaceful solution to the issue of Catalonia but I don't see a way for Catalans to gain true Independence unless they engage in a costly war.  Croatia became Independent regardless of the wishes of Serbia or anyone else, we had to liberate our lands and drive the Serbs out.