Why is there no thread about Spain reverting to fascism?

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Ka-pi96 said:

Wright said:

I generally prefer maintaining myself away from political threads in VGChartz, but I guess I'd like to give my two cents on this one.

I wouldn't call "Spain reverting to fascism" when Catalonia has basically vulnerated the Constitution they supposedly have adhered to all these years, have been repeatedly told that they can't do what they want to, to the point that the Constitutional Court sanctioned their actions (and they completely and utterly disregarded any of this), and the Govern is as corrupt as they get (as corrupt as Madrid's, basically) and partially uses the idea of Independence as a smokescreen to hide their own faults, not to mention they have absolutely zero plans mid/long-term (that I know of) if they manage to get the independence (let alone the fact that the European Union has also mentioned they won't support whatever Catalonia is up to, because it's illegal).

Now, it's unfortunate how incompetent our current political party choose to handle the situation. If you wanted to title the thread "Spain reverting to idiocity", then I'd be fine with that one, really, because these last years we've got nothing but fuck-ups after fuck-ups. What transpired the other day was definitively a massive mess that gave more legitimacy in everyone's eyes the Catalonia's cause. I'm no supporter of their independency, but I do support the fact that they should make a referendum if they so chose to - of course, through legal means. I wouldn't object to any of it, if everything was done like it's supposedly how it has to be done. If the vast majority would win through an established referendum, I'd accept the result entirely. What you can't tell me is that this illegal thing means anything when people could basically vote in one school, then go to a different one and keep voting. This is a mess that only benefits those who wants Yes and invalidates any kind of meaningful data we could extract from it.

There's plenty of things that Catalonia could discuss; a Constitutional reform/change/improvement, talks about turning Spain into Federalism...I dunno, there's plenty of actions they could take, but they're extremely obsessed with their Independent dream that they choose to disregard basically any sensible action they could progressively take here. I have sympathies for those who were injuried during the illegal voting the other day, but I have zero sympathy for what the Govern has been doing all along.

Now, I'd like to give numbers without any opinion attached to it. 2,200,000 people voted "Yes" to Independence in Catalonia through the illegal referendum (A bit less than the last time they pulled this out, though then again they didn't have the police issue back then). As far as I know, Catalonia has 7,000,000 people living there, based on the last census . It means from the total Catalonia population (that's including children - which by the way, I'm fairly sure they were allowed to vote in the illegal referendum, but don't quote me here), 31% of people do want Independence.

heh, I got Wight to post. Haven't seen you in awhile actually!

You keep saying the referendum was illegal though, but in what basis? I was under the impression that it was passed through the Catalan parliament. I know the national government declared it illegal (most likely as an attempt to prevent it) but dthid they have any actual basis for that. Not as if I'd agree with it even if they did though.

Of course there's a flip side to Catalonia being able to discuss other things such as reform or federalisation etc, the Spanish government could be discussing those things with Catalonia too. But if independence is what the Catalan people really want I think they have right to pursue that rather than settling for something lesser. And I've no doubt there's a lot more of them that really want independence now than there was before.

The catalan court has no authority on the issue. My mayor could tell me that I'm allowed to carry rocket launchers in the street, from now on. That would not matter, because it is not in his authority to do so.