Cerebralbore101 said:
What exceptions? What exactly do you think my narrative is? Your comment about Destiny and Watch Dogs is circular. I wouldn't exactly call Overwatch a big IP, but it's a lot less laughable than calling Ark, or some flavor of the month Indie games a big IP. Had you mentioned Overwatch as a big IP, in your original post, I wouldn't have bothered to respond. That's not something I'd disagree with so much to bother with. Franchise and IP don't mean the same thing. A Franchise is a series of things in the same medium. For example the X-men have a comic book franchise, and a movie franchise, but they don't have a video game franchise. Sure there are X-men games released here and there, but they don't have the same publisher or developer. They aren't sequels of one another either. Commercial product =/= T.V. advert. You didn't say new I.P. though. I would have agreed with a statement like "PUBG, Overwatch, and Ark, are the biggest out of all the new I.P.s this generation." It's like the difference between saying a bullet ant is one of the biggest ants alive, and saying a bullet ant is one of the biggest creatures alive. |
Do you even know how to read? Serious question. My entire point was that a franchise and ip aren't the same ... so saying it needs merchandise, tv shows, or multiple sequels to be a big ip doesn't make sense. I was obviously talking about new ips, thats why I said "biggest ips of this generation". An ip is something that is created at a certain date. Resident evil 4 is not an ip, Resident Evil is. That being said, maybe you could see it as me seeing they are some of the big ips of the entire generation, meaning out of all the products from all gaming ips. That ... still wouldn't actually be wrong though ...
Rust, Ark, Battlegrounds, and H1Z1 are not "flavor of the month" indie games. See, *this* is what I'm talking about. Your narrative is that something is only a big ip when you want it to be. As soon as I called you out on Destiny you adjusted your parameters to "but it has a sequel! but that sequel has good reviews" ... that literally is just adjusting the parameters to fit your narrative. You're mostly a console player, so of course you're not going to think big games that spread mostly from word of mouth are big games. It doesn't have the most advertising ever so it's not a big ip! I mean, I don't even have any of these games except Battlegrounds and even i'm not ignorant enough to say they aren't some of the biggest new ips. It's seriously frustrating that people only bring into question how legitimate the success of something is when it's on the PC platform ... I don't think that's a coincidence, quite frankily. I would have used Overwatch in my original comment, but it's also on PS4 and Xbox One and i'm sure you would have used that against me in a reply.
To be clear this is what i'm talking about : " You also need more than one game in an IP. An IP with a single game isn't big. Also, when an IP becomes big it usually involves having a ton of commercial products associated with it. Poke'mon for example has toys, candy, a T.V. show etc. Star Wars is a big IP. Mario is a big IP. X-men is a big IP."
You don't need more than one game to be an IP..... or to even be a big ip. The fact that you might not even consider Overwatch a big ip speaks volumes, honestly. Those are all *franchises* that are also IPs. All big franchises are big IP, not all big IP are franchises.
IP popularity is fluid, but that doesn't change that from a sales perspective that they have crafted some of the most big new ips of this generation.
You're being silly. I mean the fact that you literally said "Ips aren't franchises!" when that was my entire point ... my god man. You are by far the most frustrating user to converse with, because I *know* you can do better but it's like you don't even understand what you're saying half the time. I'm not going to respond to you, you're wrong and I'm sure that a few console users here will come and back you, that's pretty much VGC. Doesn't change the facts. Seriously, what was even the point of arguing? You just did it for no reason and came with no good points at all. You pretty much just said you agreed with me too ... I mean sure I could have said "new ip" but it was heavily implied and that's obviously what I meant. Again .. reading comprehension dude.
