sc94597 said:
CosmicSex said:
Oh, well first we need somthing to weed out insane people from owning a firearm. Like that is top priority.
Next if this guy was able to get military grade weapons, then the supplier should be charged with treason and we need to get them off the streets. I'm In the city, cash rewards were used to turn over illegal guns no questions asked.
Third, and this goes without saying but high traffic areas need to have systems in place to detect guns. People need to be able to go to concerts with worried about crazy people with itchy fingers.
Gun ownership like driver license ownership should be considered a privilege not a right and safety must be put first. Let sellers know that if they sell someone a gun and then they kill someone and you didn't check their background, you also broke the law. I can sell you are car as a dealer if you aren't licenced.
Andwhats wrong with classes to teach people gun safety and making it required as an owner?
Oh and I am all for search and seizure of illegal weapons.
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I think most supporters of gun ownership would agree with "we need something to weed out insane people from owning a firearm" in so much as it respects:
1. People's rights to due-process.
2. The rights of people who don't have severe mental illnesses but who might need therapy for mild mental illnesses, or social/personality disorders from owning guns.
"Next if this guy was able to get military grade weapons, then the supplier should be charged with treason and we need to get them off the streets. I'm In the city, cash rewards were used to turn over illegal guns no questions asked."
Who are you talking about when you say "supplier"? You mean the person who illegal obtained the gun and provided to this guy? Or who manufacturered a modifier that allowed this guy to modify an existing gun and make it fully automatic, then if you can find him people would say he should be arrested. Most people who support gun rights would support an endeavor in so much as it doesn't harm people's fourth amendment protections (in other words, no search or seizure without warrants.)
"Third, and this goes without saying but high traffic areas need to have systems in place to detect guns. People need to be able to go to concerts with worried about crazy people with itchy fingers."
I suppose in those places that don't allow conceal carry this could work. If the people in those cities want to spend the money to create such a system, that is their choice I guess. Doesn't sound like something which would work on a national level when some states and cities allow open carry.
"Gun ownership like driver license ownership should be considered a privilege not a right and safety must be put first."
This is where you are going to lose gun owners and supporters of gun rights, and it would kill any bill you want to get passed.
" Let sellers know that if they sell someone a gun and then they kill someone and you didn't check their background, you also broke the law. I can sell you are car as a dealer if you aren't licenced."
Is this not already the law for FFL dealers and straw purchasers?
"Andwhats wrong with classes to teach people gun safety and making it required as an owner?"
It is kind of irrelevant to the topic of mass-shootings, and should have its own debate and own legislation. Some things wrong with it, is that it is a prohibitive obstacle to the poor in much the same way the poll tax and voting tests were. Many of these poor already know the safety rules of firearms ownership through diffusion from gun-safety classes.
"Oh and I am all for search and seizure of illegal weapons."
By this you mean legal search and seizure? Otherwise you don't see any problems with the violations of the fourth amendment protections one has? Even if you don't mind it being used for illegal guns only, most police would use this as another pretense to violate fourth amendment rights whenver they want.
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