| Dota2Gamer said: Hi Everyone, I'm a regular vgchartz reader since 2008 but has no account. I had to create one today because this topic is too interesting for me that it will be a disservice if this thread becomes a religion bashing circlejerk without a proper representation of a Christian perspective.
Hi Wagner, were you implying that the Book of Revelation was embarassing to Christianity because it was talking about something (in which case Israel, the country) that was no longer existing? If this is your criteria of determining disgust in the bible, then Genesis must have surpassed the Book of Revelations, with its seven day creation of the universe, or the book of Matthew, with Jesus floating in the water, or book of Isaiah, with its prediction of a Mesiah being born or book of Daniel's prediction of a second temple being destroyed when there was no second temple yet. In fact, using your criteria, you can argue, that all books in the bible are embarassing to Christianity or Christianity itself is embarassing because it contains scriptures that talk about something that is not yet existing.
Please allow me to clarify, the book refers to Israel in many ways, context is the key: 1. Israel as Jews - Israel has rejected the one and only thing that can save them, Jesus Christ, thus, they reject salvation. 2. Israel as the country - Bible has referenced Israel as the nation chosen by God but its citizen has rejected him in favor of the lust of the flesh. 3. New Israel - Israel is the nation of God. "Old Israel" has rejected Jesus Christ, thus, Israel that is being saved refers to the "sheep", as Christ is the "shepherd", all sheep will be united with him and will be the new Israel.
This is not exclusive to the book of Revelations. In fact, we can rest assure that if there's a successful one world Government, chances are, it will be the end of the world. The bible clearly states that mankind due to its sinful nature cannot achieve unity, someone will always desire to rule over the other. The only way to achieve real unity is through God. When was the last time mankind has been united? See, it's with the tower of babylon days, and mankind has united AGAINST God. You may be wondering if God has been threatened to cause the destruction of the tower and the languages of mankind. But we can also see it from another's perspective, God has prevented humanity to commit a greater sin, after all if all of mankind is united against God, no one will be saved. Question: If unity is impossible without God, how could there be a one world government? This is why Jesus has predicted that whoever will lead that Government, the antichrist, will use the name of God, as a tool to convince all of the people to follow him. Note: I do not mean for anyone to treat the above arguments as the absolute truths as many events in the bible are not yet verified in history. I just presented them to let others know bible's perspective in a context wherein the book of revelations is being discussed. |
Hi man, welcome to the Forums.
About the problems people had with the Book of Revelation, not only the Israel part, the whole book was pretty much impossible of understand till like 40 years ago. I actually had a grand grand father who said it was not a good idea to read it.
The prophecy about the One World Government states that it will stands for 3 years and half, during a time christians will be hunted down and killed worldwide.
After this 42 months the utopia starts to fall apart, the kingdom of the antichrist is in darkness and the mark of the beast no longer works, it actually causes problems to the people bearing it, health problems. So, probably a EMP or something, and some rejection of the mark of the beast implants.
I think we will always have plausible denyability of every single thing in the Bible till the very end of this age, as well as very good hints of it being all true.
The reason is that anyone that finds Christ must do it because he really wants it, not because the evidence is just to overwhelming.
This is of course a believer point of view. If nothing happens, then I am wrong and that is it. I will only know for sure when I am dead, but that is what I put my faith on: that every single verse of the Bible is either historic and factual, or prophetic and waiting to happen.
Nothing but a Pascal wager, in the end. But we are all doing it.
That said, as the Israel mentions go, some events do take place in the actual city of Jerusalem, this is why a lot of people say Jerusalem is the most important place of the Universe, because God has chosen that place to be the centerstage of the apotheosis of human history.
About the jews, it can go either way right now, I have no idea how the bits mentioning 144k virgin jews get fulfilled. I do believe it will come about somehow.
Now, do not get me wrong: I am not the kind of guy who believe the world is going to end and stuff, I fully believe mankind will see the whole Book of Revelation getting fulfilled:
- One World Government
- One world currency
- one world religion
- concentration camps and execution of christians worldwide
- portals opening for monsters to invade Earth
Sounds crazy?
Absolutelly.
Are we close?
Probably not. Could take a thousand years, could take 20, dunno.
My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.
