The prophecy of John, aka Apocalypse, aka End of the World.

[WagnerPaiva]

Teeqoz said:

WagnerPaiva said:

It would be cool though. I think about other ways such a prophecy could come true, without CERN or similar facilities.

Maybe a new kind of tech could come about in the near future, or some kind of creature could be found somewhere and it would reproduce really fast.

My main issue is that, if you look at what is already in place, it is always very natural, man made, no supernatural stuff. So, it has to come about in a similar fashion, as I expect.

It could be something like some kind of manipulated animal or something, man made tech gone wrong. Very interesting.

You got to admit though, the mark of the beast one world currency seems to be around the corner.

I will give you this: the very CERN thing, which you and me have debated before, the creatures from the abyss, seems to be a almost impossible, super hard to fulfill deal. Like very very slim chance.

By world government, does that include off earth habitats?

As for the global currency, I have no idea what that has to do with the apocalypse. While it does seem plausibile that it will happen some time in the future (talking about sometime in this millenium, not in this century), that's simply because uhm... it 's more practical in terms of trade in a world where nations by and large are on an equal footing economically, which is the natural equilibrium in the information age. 

As for Revelations predicting live transmission of images and sound.... I mean come on. It is quite a gigantic leap to interpret

"And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall SEE their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

And they that DWELL UPON THE EARTH shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall SEND GIFTS one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth."

to mean "worldwide transmission of sound and images".

I mean, you can interpret it like that, sure, but you are really bending reality into what you want it to look like in that case.

But, to be fair and honest, this is a believer biased man talking, not a unpartial opinion. You know I have christian glasses on my eyes 24/7.

I am not saying it is not a natural progress of mankind as history advances. That is my whole point: all the prophecies fulfilled and being fulfilled happened in a way that gives any unbeliever plausible deniability, which is what I expect from a God that respects free will till the very end.

The verses you mentioned, to me, absolutelly are talking about means of communication far beyond what John ever dreamed of. Think this way: Paul the Apostle only met Peter twice in his life, and letter took months to get to their destinies. The bodies of the 2 witnesses stood ONLY 3 days in Jerusalem, and in this very short amount of time, the whole world was trading gifts and partying over their deaths. 

To me this is a very clear sign that this prophecy takes place in a digital glocal comunication era.

And I give you also this: as my naturalistic fulfillment of prophecy goes, opning of the abyss and releasing of flesh and bone monsters, millions, is TOTALLY impossible right now. It could change, though.