Hillary Clinton's memoir - it was Everyone Else Fault I lost...

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Shadow1980 said:

method114 said:

1. Emails were leaked showing the DNC favored Hillary and were in fact supporting her. They were taken to court over it and they basically said we don't have to be fair. Bernie supports were screwed over a fair primary race. So yes they stayed home and contributed to Hillary losing. That's not butthurt that's refusing to take part in the political game the DNC was playing and that they continue to play. The DNC has been recieving record low donations people are pissed and they refuse to acknowledge it.

2. Polls showed Bernie beating Trump by a wider margin than Hillary. At the end of the day we don't know what would have happened and the DNC contributed in robbing us of really finding out.

3. Any real American would have done the American thing and voted for the candidate they believed in or stayed at home and not vote at all. That's our right as Americans. We're not here to treat the election by saying "Well at least she's not as bad as that guy". If that's how you're voting step your game up and become a real American. Their are third party candidates you don't have to vote for Hillary because they tell you it's a waste. That's how they control the sheep.

@ #1: So what if they favored her? Big whoop. They favored her in 2008 and she lost to Obama. When Obama pulled ahead, the superdelegates and the DNC put their support behind him. You do know that political parties are private institutions and their leadership and members can favor whoever the hell they want to, right? And FWIW, Sanders was and still is an independent, not a Democrat.

This is why Obama beat Hillary while Sanders lost against her:

Sanders just didn't have the support Obama did in 2008, and, except for a very narrow window in late March/early April, Sanders was always behind Hillary in the polls. Sanders lost fair and square.

@ #2: So what? Clearly most primary voters didn't care about general election polling at the time.

@ #3: And that attitude right there is part of the reason why we have Donald Trump sitting in the White House. You saw a Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich running for President. I saw an establishment Democrat and a dangerous, megalomaniacal man-child who coddles racists, thinks government exists to make life easier for the rich and harder for everyone who isn't rich, and who threatens to undo every progressive reform back to the New Deal and perhaps beyond. Anybody who didn't see a very real difference between Clinton and Trump, anyone who thought they were equally as bad or close to it, is blind.

 

LurkerJ said

 
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Feh. That guy has no idea what he's talking about. When was the last time an honest-to-God left-wing Democrat in the vein of Bernie Sanders won a general election? Since the end of WW2, we've seen the following Democrats win the presidency: Truman, JFK, LBJ, Carter, Bill Clinton, and Obama. Of those seven men, how many of them were reasonably close to Sanders? Not a damn one.

 

Y'know, I really like Sanders. I've "Felt the Bern" long before it was popular. Many of his supporters were still in diapers when I first started supporting his ideals. I voted for him in the primary, and I would have voted for him time and time again if I lived in Vermont. But again, I knew that Trump was simply too dangerous to simply go "Well, Hillary sucks so I'm staying home/voting third-party." I may like Sanders, but I'm not an ideological purist, and I'm not suicidal. But some Bernie Bros helped put the round in the chamber because Hillary was "2centrist4me," and time will tell if Trump will pull the trigger and blow this country's metaphorical brains out or merely just shoot it in the foot.

Whe they tell me at a restaurant, we dont have coke, just pepsi, its the same thing, I always say no thanks. I rater have water.